picard102
Senior Member
The majority wont care what it looks like.
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The majority wont care what it looks like.
junctionist
Senior Member
Are you sure? Many don't claim to pay attention to these things, but when they visit another city which invested more in the design of their system, it frustrates them that Toronto didn't. Meanwhile, visitors get the "generic North American metropolis" impression. If this city has any meaning beyond merely some place with job opportunities, then design of ordinary, highly-visible infrastructure should be important.
springroll
New Member
It looks like the BART trains (Bay Area Ranpid Transit) I used to take. If it's anything like that, I think people will like it.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
So at first what will we see? Toronto Rockets and T1s on the Yonge Line, and on the BD line maybe the H4s will be gone and the remaining H5s and H6s will continue to run on the BD line...
JoeParez
Transit Enthusiast
Sounds correct.
Then I believe once all the Toronto Rocket cars are delivered the YUS line will be exclusively Toronto Rocket cars with the remaining train sets on the Bloor Danforth line.
First post!
TTC12
Active Member
Who knows if the T1's will last as long as other trains. It is evident that stuff today isn't made to the same degree of quality as older things. Take the H4's, supposably, they are very mechanically sound, just take the fact that they're,still running as proof. Compare them to the H6's, which have a lot of mechanical issues allegedly.
Decades ago, things were made to last, now, everything is 'disposable'. So if the TR's turn out to last, that is much better than something that looks like a spaceship that won't last very long.
Decades ago, things were made to last, now, everything is 'disposable'. So if the TR's turn out to last, that is much better than something that looks like a spaceship that won't last very long.
junctionist
Senior Member
I don't think it was a choice of design quality versus build quality.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
They're supposed to have a 20 year lifespan average. By 2020 there'll probably be a new train set coming out to phase out the T1's.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
More like 30 years, same lifespan like the streetcars but without the salt.
Amy Rose
Active Member
TTC has a very specific taste when it comes to life, so if Bombardier cheaps out on the TTC, lets say it won't be very pretty 10-15 years down the road
Dan416
Senior Member
What reason do you have to presume that Bombardier will "cheap out"? Has there been a problem with any Bombardier-built hardware, anywhere?
Amy Rose
Active Member
I didn't really say Bombardier will cheap out, but there are some strict regulations on the TTC when it comes to vehicles such as long life span
Electrify
Senior Member
Scarborough RT?
Dan416
Senior Member
From Wikipedia:
IIRC Bombardier later bought UTDC, but the SRT wasn't technically built by Bombardier.
erikyow
New Member
The MBTA in Boston had some teething problems with their Bombardier-built trains (Red Line 1800-series). That said, I seem to recall the problem being with the traction motor - but I could be wrong about that. So, I'm not sure that can be pinned on Bombardier but I know they weren't happy with them for a while.
Also, Amtrak had some major issues with the Bombardier-built Acela stock. Again, not sure who the problem can be attributed to but problems with the tilting feature and with cracking of the braking systems caused the trains to go out of service for lengthy periods of time and were quite the public black-eye for Amtrak.
Also, Amtrak had some major issues with the Bombardier-built Acela stock. Again, not sure who the problem can be attributed to but problems with the tilting feature and with cracking of the braking systems caused the trains to go out of service for lengthy periods of time and were quite the public black-eye for Amtrak.