I think you guys aren't reading this quite right. Sure, of course there are homeowners from the houses to the north who are against this, but for sure there are lots of apartment tenants here too; the HPTA is dead-set against this. They've been active for years, and they're very protective of the community.
You seem to be joining the background din which claims that renters never invest emotionally in their communities and are irresponsible types who don't deserve a voice—and wouldn't want one anyway. And maybe you're also joining the cabal that wants every proposal approved at whatever density is proposed. That's as blind a group of people as those who don't want anything to change.
The neighbourhood associations here are not asking for no development, they're asking for less, and it's fair game in our development approvals process for them to ask that. Planning will apply their formulas to the proposals, and they'll try to negotiate something that will be smaller than the developers want and larger than the locals want. Who knows where that will land.
In the article linked above, Cathy Brown of the High Park Community Alliance (representing owners and tenants) reportedly "hopes the developers will reduce the size of their proposal, and she hopes the community consultations will bring change, citing residents’ previous failed efforts to make a difference to projects like the Grenadier Square, which was approved by the Ontario Municipal Board in 2015." Too bad it's been expressed that way: they were successful in bringing down the Grenadier Square proposals from two towers of 31 storeys to two towers of 25, and from 610 suites to 530, so they had some effect.
Based on that precedent, I think you'll see possibly 80% more density added to this area, but not the 115% increase that's being asked for. The area's going to change substantially no doubt, but that still doesn't mean just giving the developers the full initial ask (and I doubt the developers expect to get that in any case).
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You seem to be joining the background din which claims that renters never invest emotionally in their communities and are irresponsible types who don't deserve a voice—and wouldn't want one anyway. And maybe you're also joining the cabal that wants every proposal approved at whatever density is proposed. That's as blind a group of people as those who don't want anything to change.
The neighbourhood associations here are not asking for no development, they're asking for less, and it's fair game in our development approvals process for them to ask that. Planning will apply their formulas to the proposals, and they'll try to negotiate something that will be smaller than the developers want and larger than the locals want. Who knows where that will land.
In the article linked above, Cathy Brown of the High Park Community Alliance (representing owners and tenants) reportedly "hopes the developers will reduce the size of their proposal, and she hopes the community consultations will bring change, citing residents’ previous failed efforts to make a difference to projects like the Grenadier Square, which was approved by the Ontario Municipal Board in 2015." Too bad it's been expressed that way: they were successful in bringing down the Grenadier Square proposals from two towers of 31 storeys to two towers of 25, and from 610 suites to 530, so they had some effect.
Based on that precedent, I think you'll see possibly 80% more density added to this area, but not the 115% increase that's being asked for. The area's going to change substantially no doubt, but that still doesn't mean just giving the developers the full initial ask (and I doubt the developers expect to get that in any case).
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