rbt
Senior Member
These trains won't be made in North America.
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The Future of Bombardier
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These trains won't be made in North America.
cplchanb
Senior Member
smallspy
Senior Member
It's much easier to build something on a continual basis than having to set up and take down production lines all the time.
They've been building those same high-speed cars since 2016. This is simply an addition to the existing orders.
Look at the BiLevel cars for GO. They've built and delivered about 300 of them since 2015.
Dan
cplchanb
Senior Member
Fair point, still it's quite remarkable if you take the same ratio of their productivity in 4 years they can theoretically make over 1200 cars
smallspy
Senior Member
I suspect that if they had orders for 1200 BiLevels that had to be built in 4 years that they could do it. As it is, only 1 of the 4 production lines at Thunder Bay is building them.
Dan
Admiral Beez
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I want BBD to succeed in the LRT market in North America, and I especially want the Thunder Bay plant to be successful. We're now making and operating modern, good looking LRTs.
But how do we make that happen? Assuming they can overlook the delays with the Flexcity cars for Toronto, can USA cities buy LRTs made in Canada? Aren't they required to buy American, thus compelling any interested suppliers to at minimum build an assembly plant in the US? BBR can of course consider this move, but it does nothing to keep the Canadian and Ontario workers employed, nor give a return on the subsidies, etc.
Towered
Senior Member
Is the Thunder Bay plant building anything at the moment?
rbt
Senior Member
BBD products for the USA are typically assembled in NY state, and it's pretty continuous work with just NY subway cars.
rbt
Senior Member
Metrolinx placed an order for 36 bi-level GO cars over the summer but that's only enough to keep a skeleton crew busy.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
It's a shame Thunder Bay is not making the new VIA sets.
VIA RAIL SELECTS SIEMENS CANADA TO REPLACE ITS QUÉBEC-WINDSOR CORRIDOR FLEET | VIA Rail
Montréal, December 12, 2018 – VIA Rail Canada (VIA Rail) announced today that Siemens Canada was awarded a $989 million contract to build the 32 trainsets that will replace VIA Rail’s fleet that operates in the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor.
media.viarail.ca
What does it take to build a train? | VIA Rail
In December we announced the awarding of a $989 million contract to Siemens Canada to build a brand-new fleet of train cars for the Quebec City-Windsor corridor. This collaborative effort is seeing designers, locomotive engineers, technicians, experts in accessibility and many others working...
Towered
Senior Member
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Agreed. They seem to have the production line sorted now, no point in having it shutdown and then start afresh in ten years with new and repeated problems. Instead the TTC should order a trickle of the cars, perhaps two a month to keep things active.
drum118
Superstar
Its one thing for the production line to kept busy, but the big issue is how long will it take suppliers producing parts for the production line??? Most suppliers have obtain other work since they knew they have to find other work to keep their employees working and making a buck. Some may find some space to fit BBD order in on a longer time frame well others can only do it once they finish the work on hand. This also applies to BBD other plants that doing the work in Quebec in place of Mexico. Can BBD Plants build parts for the new car order while repairing the current order of cars???
Depending on the suppliers, BBD may have to wait some time or long time to start getting X parts from X supplier to the point they may have to find a new supplier that BBD has never used in the past. Can these new suppliers meet the replacement supplier both in delivery time and quality of work?? We know what lack of quality of work can do to both a production line as well BBD Bottom line.
You can only go to the well so many times before it dry up and putting off the final end of it. It cost money to keep a plant running on a monthly or yearly base and does that 2 car a month or 24 cars a year going to pay the full overhead cost??? I don't think so with BBD taking a hit for the bottom line to keep x employees busy not high on their list these days.
These new cars if built by BBD will not be at the price the extra 60 cars were to be at when the 60th car was produce, but at the current cost to cover the loses BBD has seen so far to the point will they be low bidder on a new Open Market Tender. Will the taxpayer of Toronto have to pay more taxes for these new cars by going Sole Tender???
I was welling to live with 252 cars in 2005 knowing it had to be higher, but not the 204 we are getting now.
2014/15 should been the year where a tender was call for 60 cars, with an option of more as needed. 2020 needs to be the year a tender is issue regardless if there is no money to pay for them now as it will take time to do the tender. The other option is to go to 3 other suppliers and buy 2 cars from them to see which supplier should get the order. It will take up to 2 years to get these cars to start doing the testing and another 6 months for that testing. Regardless, it will be about 2024 we could see more cars from the market being added to the fleet.
AlbertC
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Bombardier's recent woes suggest sell-off or breakup on the table, analysts say
Alicja Siekierska
Yahoo Finance Canada January 16, 2020
Bombardier Inc. (BBD.TO) may have to consider selling one – or potentially all – of its existing assets, some analysts say, as the beleaguered company looks to accelerate payment of its significant debt load.
The Quebec-based company’s stock tanked on Thursday, closing the day down 32 per cent at $1.22, after it revealed its financial targets would once again fall below original expectations, largely due to ongoing challenges at its ongoing transportation division.
Bombardier also said Thursday that it is considering an early exit from its joint venture partnership with Airbus and the Quebec government, which will require additional cash investment to support the ramp-up of production of the A220 jet. The plane and train maker suggested it will take a write-down on the business, which is now expected to generate a lower return over the life of the program.
ca.finance.yahoo.com
Alicja Siekierska
Yahoo Finance Canada January 16, 2020
Bombardier Inc. (BBD.TO) may have to consider selling one – or potentially all – of its existing assets, some analysts say, as the beleaguered company looks to accelerate payment of its significant debt load.
The Quebec-based company’s stock tanked on Thursday, closing the day down 32 per cent at $1.22, after it revealed its financial targets would once again fall below original expectations, largely due to ongoing challenges at its ongoing transportation division.
Bombardier also said Thursday that it is considering an early exit from its joint venture partnership with Airbus and the Quebec government, which will require additional cash investment to support the ramp-up of production of the A220 jet. The plane and train maker suggested it will take a write-down on the business, which is now expected to generate a lower return over the life of the program.
Bombardier's recent woes suggest sell-off or breakup on the table, analysts say
Bombardier Inc. (BBD.TO) may have to consider selling one – or potentially all – of its existing assets, some analysts say, as the beleaguered company looks to accelerate payment of its significant debt load.
