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St. Clair ROW: What Went Wrong

I stated last year in this thread or some where else that it was easy to build new pedestrian tunnels on either side of the existing bridge. Once they are in place, you remove the current ones and use it as another lane.

All lane width will be narrow.

It would take a few weekends to do this. One only has to look at CP Hurontario bridge to see this and it was done under 60 hrs on a long weekend.

Would an early example of the "flanking ped tunnel" solution have been where the Belt Line crosses Dufferin?

Kinda wonder what'd motivate the decision to retain the existing bridge; yeah, it's "older", but it isn't like you have to retain each and every one of them...
 
The creation of a bottleneck at that point is really going to affect traffic along St. Clair, and probably force more people onto Davenport and potentially Rogers. Not a very good situation at all, and a perfect example of how poorly planned this project has been.

No kidding, its crazy now with double lanes each way.I cant imagine this underpass being limited to one lane in each direction. Total anarchy.
 
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City's transit planners are slow to learn

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/753688--city-s-transit-planners-are-slow-to-learn

The attempted power play at Wednesday's TTC meeting was destined to fizzle – a grandstanding motion from Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong calling on the chief general manager and the chair to resign for fiscal mismanagement.

For one, Minnan-Wong's timing was less than perfect. The TTC brass spent considerable time patting themselves on the shoulders for achieving a transit ridership record in 2009 – just over 471 million rides. So, they must be doing something right, no?

As such, chair Adam Giambrone impatiently listened to the councillor's charges of "pathology of mismanagement" leading to tens of millions of dollars in project cost overruns on St. Clair and at Union Station. Then, Giambrone deftly sidelined it with a "thank you" and moved to other business.

If only the TTC's troubles were that easily set aside.

On the contrary, the once better way continues to give credibility to the complaints from its detractors, especially as it relates to St. Clair.

First, users report service is lamentable, now that the streetcars are back – between Yonge and Lansdowne. Commuters wait 20 minutes for a streetcar, only to have them come in bunches. This is precisely what the exclusive right-of-way, on an elevated concrete bed, was designed to avoid.

Second, an "independent review" of the line hit the commission this week. It says too many contractors, changing plans and no firm manager plagued the project and ballooned the price tag to $106 million from $65 million.

TTC spokesman Brad Ross says the service delays are part of growing pains. As well, a number of auto-streetcar collisions have snarled service. Drivers are still learning the signalling for U-turns and left turns across the transit corridor.

He didn't say, but the signage is less than clear. Spadina should have provided ample opportunities to get it right on St. Clair.

Another ill? Delivery trucks that parked on the tracks during the construction continue to do so. That's almost preposterous.

Lessons are being learned, yes. Councillor Joe Mihevc, perennial apologist for the project, Wednesday excused the "not-perfect St. Clair experience" by saying "We all know it was pioneering work."

Well, hardly. Spadina and the Harbourfront LRT preceded it.

The TTC promise to do better – on Sheppard, Eglinton, Finch, Jane, Don Mills and wherever else streetcars get shoehorned into streets where residents crave subways.

Still, it seems the transit planners are slow learners.

Minnan-Wong, for one, says taxpayers can't afford to pay for their "on-the-job training. We pay them to know, not to learn. Somebody has to be held accountable."

Mihevc has some reasons for the delays: Decision to bury the hydro wires? One year delay. Court challenge from citizens: 18 months. Walkerton report on water safety resulted in plan to replace century-old water lines: One year.

The TTC has now learned it's wise to convene all the interested parties before designing a transit project, he says. That's telephone, hydro, cable, water, transportation, business, residents.

You think?

One thing, next time those pesky St. Clair residents won't be around to gum up the process.

Helen Riley, once of the city's pedestrian committee, said Wednesday it was "outrageous" to blame residents for wanting good transit and a livable street.

"Make no mistake about it, no community wants trains running through its main street," she said.

Not like this, anyway.
 
The problem is that it should never been built

There was no reason to build the line. There were never any real problems that were needing fixing. The truth is that the bus that ran during construction always made better time than the streetcars.

Also, if streetcar are to the answer, than there is no reason to run them down the middle of the road. there can be run on one side of the street with bollands to seperate them from the traffic and therefore no need for cutting off side streets.

The finch line will never be built. with the line running pass the largest gas tank farm in Ontario it poses a huge safety issuse( 57000litres of gasoline and direct current make a huge explotion) and if the TTC think the SOS coaltion was tough EXXON has layers up the whazzoo to fight Finch
 
^ So the LRT is a huge safety hazard but the high voltage line above it isn't?
 
The attempted power play at Wednesday's TTC meeting was destined to fizzle – a grandstanding motion from Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong calling on the chief general manager and the chair to resign for fiscal mismanagement.

For one, Minnan-Wong's timing was less than perfect. The TTC brass spent considerable time patting themselves on the shoulders for achieving a transit ridership record in 2009 – just over 471 million rides. So, they must be doing something right, no?

As such, chair Adam Giambrone impatiently listened to the councillor's charges of "pathology of mismanagement" leading to tens of millions of dollars in project cost overruns on St. Clair and at Union Station. Then, Giambrone deftly sidelined it with a "thank you" and moved to other business.
Grandstanding by Minnan-Wong though it was, that was a clear challenge to Giambrone's political legitimacy. I think this forces him to announce his future plans immediately or risk being seen as weak.
 

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