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If the subway's extended, Agincourt would become a pretty desirable area. There's already McMansions going in (lots of lots are wide enough to trigger the process) and some of the better houses are closing in on $1M values, which isn't too shabby for what's not even the nicest part of Scarborough.
 
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If the subway's extended, Agincourt would become a pretty desirable area. There's already McMansions going in (lots of lots are wide enough to trigger the process) and some of the better houses are closing in on $1M values, which isn't too shabby for what's not even the nicest part of Scarborough.

Spoken like a true scarberian :hat
 
Re: Metrogate

Development bid adds spark to call for subway extension


MIKE ADLER

02/08/07 19:06:00
Plans for condominium towers north of Hwy. 401 at Kennedy Road are sparking a renewed crusade for a Sheppard Subway extension to Scarborough.
Tridel, the area's leading condominium builder, closed a deal last month to buy a 17-acre (6.8-hectare) property on Sufferance Road for a development it calls Metrogate.

The former Toronto Sufferance Truck Terminal, on which Tridel plans 2,100 residential units, a two-acre park and some commercial and office space, also reserves land for a future transit station at a point where a GO rail line and a possible Sheppard extension intersect.

"What you have on that site is the potential for a second Union Station," Ward 40 Councillor Norm Kelly (Scarborough-Agincourt) said this week.

But while declaring his hopes for a "Union Station East" there in the near future, Kelly said he opposed an earlier version of the development plan because its density was "far too high" for what Sufferance, a dead-end street off Kennedy, could handle.

Kelly said the city, at his urging, won concessions by taking a development application by the previous landowner, the Canderel Group of Companies, to the Ontario Municipal Board.

The property was, however, designated for office uses in the former City of Scarborough's Agincourt Centre Secondary Plan and as an employment area in the new City of Toronto Official Plan. The city had wanted it kept as future commercial and office space, Kelly said.

Instead, the terminal, which closed its warehouse Nov. 30 and is being demolished, will be transformed into Tridel's first "green neighbourhood, including what will be some of Scarborough's tallest buildings.

The first of Metrogate's modernist condo towers, going on sale this spring, will be 40 storeys, Tridel vice-president Jim Ritchie said.

Tridel, which has committed to build all of its condo towers according to the Canada Green Building Council's standards for heating and cooling efficiency, is also looking at other "green" systems such as electricity production through co-generation and state-of-the-art stormwater retention for Metrogate, which is beside a section of the erosion-prone Highland Creek.

But the first thing Tridel will change is the name of the road, Sufferance, to something "a little more appealing," Ritchie said, noting that neither the terminal property nor the Delta Toronto East hotel beside it have a Sufferance address.

Ritchie said the company plans only 38,500 square metres of office and retail space, far less than the city wanted, but added, "How deep is that office market? You have to be realistic."

Tridel has built half of the 19,000 condominiums in Scarborough, including a large development near Sufferance in the Tam O'Shanter area. After developing condominiums in the former city for a quarter century, Ritchie suggested, "we have a good feel for what works in the community."

Tridel believes "the infrastructure is there" to handle Metrogate's traffic and though the development sets land aside for a station, "it's clearly not in the plans for the immediate future," he said.

Still fearing "we'll get the traffic and no relief," however, Kelly said it's the station that "could make that site work" and he will encourage fellow councillors and Mayor David Miller to push senior governments on its behalf.

"I want the mayor up there at the earliest opportunity," he said. "I'm taking them out there to walk the site with them."

The Scarborough Community Council chairperson admitted, though, that since the Toronto Transit Commission is determined to first extend the Spadina line to York University, prospects for the Sheppard line extension he wants from Don Mills Road to Scarborough Centre aren't bright.

"Right now, it's a long shot."

Kelly said he was looking to the private sector and the Conservative government of Stephen Harper for the money, since a federal election looms.

"These guys have to have an urban agenda," he said.

The councillor rejected the suggestion another form of rapid transit such as light rail could serve the purpose more cheaply.

"What does a car give you? Speed and comfort. The only form of transit that can compete is a subway," Kelly said.

Edit: just realized this was already posted in Transportation, but there is some project info too....
 
Re: Metrogate

A Union Station East sounds in Scarborough sounds like a joke ot me.

mmm, wouldn't it be cheaper to provide all day GO Train service to the area?

Louroz
 
A Union Station East sounds in Scarborough sounds like a joke ot me.

The intersection of two GO routes and a subway line would kind of like Union Station Lite.

mmm, wouldn't it be cheaper to provide all day GO Train service to the area?

Instead of extending the Sheppard line? While cheaper than the subway, all-day GO would certainly not be cheap and wouldn't spur redevelopment or move people across the top of the city.
 
For one, investing in all day GO Train service in this area would offer FASTER travel times to downtown Toronto and get this, possible links northwards to York Region - Markham and all those employment centres where most people work nowadays.

Louroz
 
Quite right, Louroz. All-day GO service should really been seen by planners as a short-term goal with the Sheppard Subway being a worthwhile project, but long-term. The benefits of proper service on certain GO lines, like Stouffville and Milton* are so painfully obvious.

Short-trem and long-term goals... or, in Toronto transit planning terminiology: "hopefully sometime in the next 25 years" and "leave that one for your grandkids".

*(Maybe it's time to look at marketing and re-name these lines? The Markham Line and The Central Mississauga Line certainly sound more urgent and urban than semi-rural monikers.)
 
"For one, investing in all day GO Train service in this area would offer FASTER travel times to downtown Toronto and get this, possible links northwards to York Region - Markham and all those employment centres where most people work nowadays."

Get this - I said it'll be kind of like Union Station Lite once the subway's extended AND both the Stouffville and Midtown lines offer decent service.

Most of the times I've used the Sheppard line, it wasn't to go downtown. Lots of people don't want to be dumped off at Union and lots of GO stations are difficult to access without a car...I wholehearted support massively improved service on GO lines, including and especially the Stouffville line due to the hundreds of thousands of people living within a few km of it, but I wouldn't use GO trains very often even if the fare was integrated.
 
Not bad, Tridel seems to be maturing in taking iniative in the condo architecture they use to market their buildings. Pretty impressive for Scarberia and if 360 @ STC is any indication of the quality of glass Tridel is using then these should be pretty nice looking towers.

park_640.jpg
 
The placement of the towers around the park in that rendering make no sense compared to what's in the city report...'artist's concept,' indeed.

edit - here's what the site currently look like, proving that an oasis-like park similar to the rendering will really be needed to make people enjoy living there.
maps.google.com/maps?f=q&...7&t=k&om=1
 
It's going to be really impressive to see, many years down the road when Metrogate and the yet-to-be-named Concord Pacific development in North York, an almost endless line of condos stretching from Yonge Street almost all the way to Scarborough Centre.

Not only do I want to see a subway down Sheppard if all these condo towers go up, but probably more commercial developments as well. In the Metrogate area, the Delta Toronto East hotel and the office tower across the street from it form a small but attractive nucleus for an office zone, with some retail. It could even be considered an extension of Scarborough Centre.
 
^ It doesn't need to be designated a 'centre' - it's already Agincourt...
 
Development bid adds spark to call for subway extension
Funny how six towers in Agincourt generate discussions of a subway extension when dozens and dozens of towers downtown generate....nothing.
 

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