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Shuttle returns to Mississauga Centre and 62-63 expansion

The only thing that is lame is your lame opposition to the concept of FREE PUBLIC TRANSIT in the CITY CENTRE?

Keep in mind that the City Centre Landowners were paying for over 2/3 of the bill at the time. There was an option to introduce fares at the time to cover the city's operating costs and instead of choosing that option, it just cancelled the service out right.

The city has admitted it made a mistake, city council has gone on record about that. It now has to restart a service we once had already, however without any corporate support from landowners, which will probably lose even MORE money than the free shuttle we once had.

Louroz

There is no such thing as free as someone or something has to pay for it.

If a business picks up the cost, they either use it as a tax right off, use some of their profit or past it on to their tenant in higher rent or in the the cost of the goods.

The developer of the condo's add the cost in to the selling price until the projects are completed. As all the unites are sold, the cost may get added to the maintenances cost. If so, that cost has to raise yearly and it could take a spike based on what MT charges. MT will or should be charging 110% of the full cost to operate this service. I am sure there would be quite a few owners request this cost be remove from their maintenances fees once the cost got high since they never use the system in the first place.

The city has made many mistakes and continue to make by adding these service when there will be no real increase of ridership in the first place.

There will be riders getting on at Sq One who will get off on Confederations once development takes place, but the bulk of the riders will be to Webb. Once the bus continue east of Webb, there will be next to no one on the bus as it will take a longer time to get to Sq One than catching the 61 or going over to Confederation and catching either the 6 or 28. Another block they can get the 26. The only riders who may still be on the bus is going to the hotel. Then they have the 3 and the 26 stopping less than a block away.

Again, the hotel may generate a few riders willing to spent time on a bus still going east before returning to Sq One, but not many as it would be faster to walk to Sq One than use the bus.

The only place the bus may pickup riders is on Robert Speck as it would be a quicker way to Sq One on your lunch time and assuming it meets your time.

What every I do, I cannot find the riders for this bus. I would be surprise if this bus has a cost ratio of 30% in a years time considering MT cost ratio system wide is 56% in the first place.

Doing the math at $365,000/yr, you need 136,247 rider using 56% recovery rate. That works out to be 374 riders a day or about 31 riders a hour. The ridership growth plan calls for 50 riders per hour and it 19 short.

So why should I and other MT riders support this service at all when I get close doors buses because there are not enough buses on the road in the first place? This is a waste of resources that could be put to better use.

Now if you where asking for a bus going into a new subdivision as transit first I would support it. All the new development going to take place where this bus is going to run is within the 400 meter to a stop or a 5 minute walking distance.

Far as I am concern, let bulldoze the whole city center and start over. While we are doing this, lets do the whole city and get rid of the sprawl and put the current population in to haft the land mass it use now.

As for someone that may get on Confederation to go to Sq One, it a 20 minute trip compare to a 10 minute walk.

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I don't see what the big deal is about the MCC shuttle. There's lots of places (mostly US cities though) that have shuttle or circulator buses to serve business, tourist or mixed-use districts. Los Angeles operates its own DASH shuttles for 50 cents (separate from LA Metro), DC has the $1 Circulator shuttles, San Jose, Detroit DOT "trolleys" (and the 50 cent peoplemover). If the idea is to make MCC more friendly to residents, visitors and employees, than that's great.

I agree that local developers and businesses should help subsidize the cost if they get a benefit, but if the city wants to subsidize it, then I don't care much.
 
Yes it does get the 3 out of the left hand lane both at Central and Burnhamthrope and will improve reliability.

Some riders do get off at Mathew Gate.

I guess 3 will see the service changes in Dec not in 2008. 3 headway needs to be reduce right across the board 7 days a week. It carries peak ridership during off peak time.

I hope they take out that layover time out at Dixie.

Happy to report that the new 3 Bloor route is indeed a nice improvement: frequency is up to 8 min during rush hour now and at least 5 min has been shaved off my trip to the subway from Hurontario.

Still a bit of a wait at Dixie though.
 
Happy to report that the new 3 Bloor route is indeed a nice improvement: frequency is up to 8 min during rush hour now and at least 5 min has been shaved off my trip to the subway from Hurontario.

Still a bit of a wait at Dixie though.

8 minutes at peak is standard.

Dixie is a pain and there no need for this layover time.

The Click n' Ride program is screw up again as does not show the schedules for route 1C and 61A as well it missing 4 stops schedules for the 3. The missing stops are on the new rerouting of 3.

I guess 3 will see service change in the spring after all and I hope so. Peak loads for off peak falls far below the ridership guide lines of 38.


It will save me 5 minute also, but will offer me more service on Sat to Sq One than the 60 minute 8.

Now to get the Sunday routing change to match this change as it is a waste of resources and see next to no riders getting on/off in that section.
 
8 minutes at peak is standard.

Dixie is a pain and there no need for this layover time.

The Click n' Ride program is screw up again as does not show the schedules for route 1C and 61A as well it missing 4 stops schedules for the 3. The missing stops are on the new rerouting of 3.

I guess 3 will see service change in the spring after all and I hope so. Peak loads for off peak falls far below the ridership guide lines of 38.


It will save me 5 minute also, but will offer me more service on Sat to Sq One than the 60 minute 8.

Now to get the Sunday routing change to match this change as it is a waste of resources and see next to no riders getting on/off in that section.

Yeah, I noticed my stop was missing from Click 'n' Ride last week and it gave me a bit of a scare when it told me to take the 8 and transfer to the 3 at Cawthra! I emailed transit info to confirm just in case, but the rep misunderstood my simple question twice and was useless.
 
I saw the City Centre Shuttle today. It has a Square One wrap on it. The bus stop signs are completely different from regular MT ones. They look good though.
 
Hopefully the 74 doesn't last long. I don't understand why they felt the need to shows all its stops on the map when the stops for the express routes aren't shown (which would make much more sense).
 

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