Sheppard Line 4 Subway Extension (Proposed)

[duty free]

To my post above, here is the map which includes Malvern town:
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couldn't a Line 4 extension follow the EE LRT alignment in the future?

phase 1: McCowan
phase 2: UTSC
phase 3: Kennedy

seems like a subway line looping around Scarborough, connecting to 4 GO stations and 2 subway stations on Line 2 could be quite useful to local residents.

 

[mossynukes]

couldn't a Line 4 extension follow the EE LRT alignment in the future?

phase 1: McCowan
phase 2: UTSC
phase 3: Kennedy

seems like a subway line looping around Scarborough, connecting to 4 GO stations and 2 subway stations on Line 2 could be quite useful to local residents.

Although questionable, I could see someone argue for phase 2, but phase 3? How? Why? What?

 

[duty free]

Although questionable, I could see someone argue for phase 2, but phase 3? How? Why? What?

if it was up to me i'd just loop Line 4 and Line 2, but it seems like some transit project will follow this alignment at some point in the future.

i'd much prefer to see another 16km transit line built through the core.

 

[jmi22]

Im open to LRT in general as a means to upgrade local bus service, but in most situations it cannot be true RT since that entails speeds that are competitive with basically any other mode in a given context. So in my books that means the busier urban corridors with high ridership and alightings on a per-km basis, not merely ridership on the entire route.

This is my interpretation of the need you describe, which contradicts using LRT. In essence, the further out you are, the faster transit needs to be because there’s fewer destinations. As we plan it, LRT intends to increase such activity along it. But we’re building them to improve the pre-existing trip patterns! We know this, it’s why we extend our subways- but costs prohibit being more generous. Hence we have always been obsessed with “intermediate capacity” transit in Ontario. We might be figuring things out now though; 3 LRTs are on the horizon, and their performance will be looked at closely.

Exactly, distant neighbourhoods need rapid transit, with the capability to go 'express' through many intermediate neighborhoods to access the core quickly. What exactly that will look like I don't know, but it needs to play a similar role to the triple/quad track subways that enabled the new hubs of Queens/Brooklyn and the Bronx to access Manhattan easily and allowed for massive residential construction.

 

[asher__jo]

Ah how I love a troll in the morning..

There was originally a plan to extend Line 2 to Mississauga at one point but that died due to interference from Hazel McCallion. Apparently she did not want Mississauga to pay for a Subway. I still say a subway to Square One would do some serious business.

As for Pickering.. the Pickering Town Centre is being redeveloped. The Kingston Road corridor is booming but that is not enough to warrant a subway.

Definitely. Making line 4 into more of an express line would do wonders to take traffic off the 401 for commuting. I think long term the best solution is to use different rolling stock that’s lighter to make elevated more viable. Whether they regauge or order custom width trains is the question.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

Reminder to all, the first public consultation meeting takes place tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721632438101692493

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Reminder to all, the first public consultation meeting takes place tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1721632438101692493

I'll be going.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

I'll be going.

Awesome! Please take lots of pictures of the materials

 

[Coolstar]

Materials are up for today's meeting.

https://assets.metrolinx.com/image/upload/v1699382851/Images/Metrolinx/20231107_Sheppard_IBC_PIC1_FINALfinal.pdf

 

[Towered]

Does the government put a Land Acknowledgement at the beginning of every document?

 

[cplchanb]

Does the government put a Land Acknowledgement at the beginning of every document?

yes. its like singing the national anthem at the sports event. a cringeworthy political theatre for sure.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

From Scarborough tonight.

 

[Metroscapes]

yes. its like singing the national anthem at the sports event. a cringeworthy political theatre for sure.

I'm trusting this is (rightfully) labelling the typical government acknowledgements as shallow and almost meaningless, and not discounting the need to acknowledge that we are settlers.

I don't want to derail this thread, so I started a new thread on this and similar topics.

 

[chrisw]

Spring 2024 - Development of Options and Public Consultation #2. Will be interesting getting some more details on the options.

 

[Dan416]

They have to wait till spring 2024 for the second consultation? :-/