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Paul Daly, associate law professor at the University of Montreal, says the MCIA is clearly not aimed at a Ford situation. The act, he said in an interview, is there to “prevent politicians from awarding contracts to their buddies, or making secret profits off the backs of taxpayers. That’s what you’re really worried about.”

Financial gain may be the most obvious motive for conflict of interest, but it is certainly not the only one. To suggest that the spirit of the law is there purely for financial gain is an outright lie if it's coming from someone in the legal profession (which Mr. Daly is).

This has to do with ethics...not money. Mr Ford has a duty to uphold the ethics of his political office. Conflict of interest rules are intended to prevent officials from making decisions in circumstances that could reasonably be perceived as violating this duty of office. Public officials are expected to put service to the public and their constituents ahead of their personal interests. Mr Ford put his personal interest of coaching a football team ahead of his political duties. And that is ethically wrong. And all the blubbering about "underprivileged kids" isn't going to change that.

Rob Ford obviously has no concept of what "conflict of interest" is, and being a complete narcissist, not surprising. If he did, his Deco Labels company would have severed ties with the city as soon as he was elected mayor (if not 10 years earlier when he was elected councillor). Even a half-wit would have made that prudent move.



The act is clearly aimed at corporate corruption. A councillor should not vote on such matters if he has an interest indirectly as a “shareholder in” or “director of” a corporation. Nor should he vote if he is a “controlling shareholder” of a corporation or “is a partner of a person or is in the employment of a person or body that has a pecuniary interest in the matter.”

The act, by the biggest of stretches, has no reasonable application to the Ford situation.

ha ha Nice try. But this is not a case of an indirect involvement of Mr Ford. This is a case of direct involvement of Mr Ford...he IS the accused.



Mr. Daly adds, in a post on his Administrative Law Matters blog, that “objectively speaking, Ford simply did not have a ‘pecuniary interest’ which would justify depriving him of his right to speak and vote.”

While he is entitled to speak, he is certainly not entitled to vote. The accused is never allowed to sit on the jury that decides his guilt or innocence. This is the conflict of interest. And quite frankly, I'm surprised Council doesn't have a mechanism that prevents this (being told repeatedly by councillors obviously didn't stop Ford from doing it).
 
Ford apparently had a good time out last night.

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@georgegray:"Toronto's fearless Mayor #RobFord shows up at Bloke & Forth drunk out of his tree"
 
Is that from last night – because when I Google “Rob Ford Bloke & Fourth” – it throws up a search result of an old post from here back in March
 
Is that from last night – because when I Google “Rob Ford Bloke & Fourth” – it throws up a search result of an old post from here back in March

It's from last night.

https://twitter.com/georgegray/status/277074910864617472

And George Gray who took the photo just deleted his tweet while I was typing up this post. He had posted it within the last 12 hours though. The above link is broken but it did link to his tweet. Lesson learned... get a screen shot.

This little nugget from earlier today raised eyebrows today as well.

What scandalous story about Rob Ford is The Globe and Mail sitting on?

Wilf Dinnick, who recently put his news website OpenFile on hiatus, appeared Friday on the media panel convened every other week on the Jian Ghomeshi-hosted CBC Radio show Q.

The conversation touched on the fate of Toronto mayor Rob Ford, who gained a stay earlier this week on a judicial ouster from office, pending an appeal.

As if there haven’t been enough twists and turns in this tale, Dinnick claimed that The Globe and Mail is sitting on a bombshell story, which it has yet to publish.

OpenFile isn’t actively publishing at this time — although a return has been promised — so there seems little likelihood of following in the footsteps of the Drudge Report, which gained prominence when Matt Drudge revealed that Newsweek had spiked its plan to break the story of Bill Clinton’s relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

Are we going to be left hanging here? Financial Post editor Terence Corcoran was among those who scratched the heads of their Twitter profile pictures in response.
 
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The tweet said nothing about it being last night - and the fact he deleted it says something
 
The cost of a byelection is now estimated at $9million. Number of years of savings from Ford not spending a $50,000 councilor office expense account necessary to pay the cost of a byelection: 180. Number of years of all 44 councilors spending 520,000 less on their office expenses necessary to pay for the byelection: 10.2. Number of years of 42 councilors spending $20,000 less and two Fords spending zero dollars: 9.5.

Please appoint someone. Maybe hard to do after so many on council have so enthusiastically speculated on running for mayor. But to save the cash they should appoint Holyday, or better yet Parker since he hasn't entirely spent the last two years being a Rob Ford apologist and is aware that the year isn't 1972. Either person would continue the conservative approach that voters chose when they elected Ford, and both would bring manners and respect for the process that would give us a total contrast to Ford.

I am sure the other councillors (other than Ford) are not able to use their former places of employment as a source for pens, reams of paper, and other office supplies and expenses. If they walked into their old places of work and then walked out of the door with office supplies, they would be arrested. They also are not able to get two sources of revenue, they have to actually quit their old jobs to take on the full-time job of councillor.
 
I am sure the other councillors (other than Ford) are not able to use their former places of employment as a source for pens, reams of paper, and other office supplies and expenses. If they walked into their old places of work and then walked out of the door with office supplies, they would be arrested. They also are not able to get two sources of revenue, they have to actually quit their old jobs to take on the full-time job of councillor.

It shocks me that you would make such an accusation. Mayor Ford did not use Deco to pay for office supplies, he just used the same Bic for 10 years! And the work done in front of our office was totally necessary, and HS football players are like witches in Oz and melt in the rain and... Nah, I'll stop. It's too easy.
 
Ford apparently had a good time out last night.

@georgegray:"Toronto's fearless Mayor #RobFord shows up at Bloke & Forth drunk out of his tree"

I really don't care whether or not this useless Mayor was out getting sh*t-faced last night, whatever. Contrast him with my "left-wing pinko" City Councillor who is out in the community almost every night after she finishes a full day at City Hall attending community functions, meeting with neighbourhood associations/BIA's, community meetings with developers etc. We are lucky to have such dedicated and hard working Councillors like this who are out in their communities working, listening and dialoging with the people who elected them. Under this Mayor, they are the glue that is holding this city together right now.
 
Ford apparently had a good time out last night.

@georgegray:"Toronto's fearless Mayor #RobFord shows up at Bloke & Forth drunk out of his tree"

That photo is definitely from a few months ago, I've seen it before and I was there when he was indeed shitfaced. It was around the time of his trial.
 
I can't say what, but there's also something else big coming. A media organization is sitting on something huge. They will release it at the opportune time (and when a few more rounds of investigation have occurred). But this will be big and goes back to an incident in the summer. That's all I can say.

^ Could this be the thing The Globe and Mail is still sitting on?

Given what has transpired in 2012, the only "bombshell" event that could really harm Ford at this point are assault charges.
 
This article is grasping at straws to please the NP's right leaning readership. I'm ok with difference of opinion but this article's entire premise is based on the fact that Justice Hackland, an Ontario Supreme Court Justice doesn't know the law and doesn't know what he's talking about. Hmm.. I think he would know better than a staff writer at a paper. Hackland's ruling resoundingly shot down all of Ford's defence arguments.

I'm surprised anyone bothers to read Corcoran. I haven't read more than 500 words of his drivel in 20 years. He makes Barbara Amiel look objective.
 
Over at the Torontoist they did an armchair lawyer exercise in dissecting Ford's appeal:

Is Ford’s penalty ultra vires?

The first and arguably most important argument is that the original $3,150 that Council ordered Ford to repay was ultra vires: that is, Council didn’t have the legal authority to order Ford to repay the $3,150.

In the City of Toronto Act, section 150 (5) reads:

City council may impose either of the following penalties on a member of council or of a local board (restricted definition) if the Commissioner reports to council that, in his or her opinion, the member has contravened the code of conduct:

1. A reprimand.

2. Suspension of the remuneration paid to the member in respect of his or her services as a member of council or of the local board, as the case may be, for a period of up to 90 days. 2006, c. 11, Sched. A, s. 160 (5).


Lenczner argued at court that the language of the Act should be read restrictively: that is, the Act authorizes these punishments and no others. Council didn’t have the authority to require Ford to pay back $3,150 in donations from lobbyists, says Lenczner, so Ford voting to undo council’s authority can’t breach the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act.

This argument poses two problems. The first is that Ford had 18 months between the original decision to impose the $3,150 penalty and the February 2012 vote that landed him in so much trouble. At no point during those 18 months did he seek any kind of lawsuit against the city to undo its (he now argues) illegal decision. Justice Hackland might have simply dismissed the argument by saying that since Ford didn’t seek recourse through the courts, the argument that the penalty is ultra vires is irrelevant.

Hackland took the more difficult route, which is why this may be the weakest (note: still not very weak) part of his decision. Hackland decided that Canadian jursiprudence does, in fact, empower Council to impose penalties outside of the narrow text of the Act. This has led some armchair City watchers to croon triumphantly that we all owe Rob Ford an apology because the decision is so obviously wrong. I don’t think that’s true, because we’ve seen other recent decisions where the courts have given very broad leeway to municipal powers, even in seeming defiance of the text of the law.

One recent example is the City’s victory in the so-called Billboard Tax case. The City of Toronto Act would seem, on its face, to make a billboard tax illegal for the vast majority of billboards that were constructed before the law was passed. From S. 110 (1):

A City by-law respecting advertising devices, including signs, does not apply to an advertising device that was lawfully erected or displayed on the day the by-law comes into force…

But the Ontario Court of Appeals decided that the City’s Third-Party Sign Tax was in fact legal, for reasons you can read in the decision. Importantly, while the Court of Appeals found there were a number of reasons to interpret S. 110 (1) other than how the advertising industry wanted, the decision also includes this:

I also agree with the submission that the powers conferred by the City of Toronto Act should be read in a generous fashion so as to enable the City to meet the needs of its residents and to provide them with good government. [emphasis added]

Since the Supreme Court declined to hear the Billboard Tax case, we can say that it’s settled law. It’s important to note here that’s it’s not direct precedent and Hackland doesn’t cite it. But that’s kind of my point: Hackland didn’t invent the broad, permissive powers of municipalities in his decision. They’re everywhere in municipal case law, sometimes even in cases where they seem to contradict the stated text of law.

For more sure-footed legal arguments, we can look at a case Hackland did cite: Nanaimo (City) v. Rascal Trucking, in which the Supreme Court of Canada ruled:

In cases where powers are not expressly conferred but may be implied, courts must be prepared to adopt the “benevolent construction” which this Court referred to in Greenbaum, and confer the powers by reasonable implication. Whatever rules of construction are applied, they must not be used to usurp the legitimate role of municipal bodies as community representatives.

Considering the amount of text in the City of Toronto Act given over to accountability and offices to ensure accountability—remember, the Act was passed in the aftermath of the MFP scandal and the Bellamy Inquiry—it seems difficult to argue that the City’s power to enforce its Code of Conduct should be read as narrowly as Ford needs it to be, if he’s going to prevail. If Lenczner’s ultra vires argument succeeds, council could not even compel an apology from someone who violated the code of conduct, or even remove them from their committee chair.

The ruling also mentions Rizzo & Rizzo Shoes, where the court cited:

…a well established principle of statutory interpretation that the legislature does not intend to produce absurd consequences.

Since it would seem to be an “absurdity” to argue that council can dock a member 90 days pay but not compel an apology, it’s certainly not obvious that Hackland’s decision will be overturned on this count.

http://torontoist.com/2012/12/a-preview-of-rob-fords-conflict-of-interest-appeal/

Here is my concern: Either a) The law is the law, and because Council failed to update the wording of the City of Toronto Act, Ford gets off from a law that was poorly written due to... a law that was poorly written. Or b) The Appeals Court decides that if the City of Toronto Act can be interpreted in different ways, so can the Conflict of Interest Act and therefore Ford isn't fired, though he may face some other kind of penalty (suspension, fine, etc).

MetroMan, you seem to be pretty knowledgeable on this, what is your take?
 
From The Star, at this link:

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford defends fire hall closure



Based on his belief that it’s not needed, Mayor Rob Ford has defended closing a west-end fire hall.

Ford’s remarks came during his Sunday afternoon radio talk show, the day before citizens were to descend on city hall to have their say on fire cuts and other elements of the city’s proposed $9.4 billion 2013 operating budget.

The fire hall closure is part of a cost saving plan that includes taking five fire trucks out of service permanently and deleting 104 vacant positions — cutting the approved fire complement to 3,072 from 3,176 staff.

Officials say the 1929-vintage Station 424 at 462 Runnymede Rd. can be closed because its service area overlaps with other stations and there would be limited erosion of response times.

“The tax-and-spenders are going to say we’re eliminating jobs, which is not true…(and) we’re shutting down fire stations,” Ford said. “We’re building four new stations.”

The fire budget calls for a new station in 2013 at Midland and Eglinton and a new Keele and Sheppard station in 2014. Meanwhile, land is being acquired for a third station near Woodbine Racetrack, and there are longer term plans for a new station at Sunnybrook Hospital.

Ford said he’s been told there are four stations close together in the High Park area, making Station 424 expendable. Keeping it open “doesn’t make any sense,” he told his listeners.

Councillor Mike Del Grande, the budget chief and a guest on the program, said his budget committee this year is placing extra emphasis on emergency services — police, fire and ambulance — where costs are rising faster than in other parts of city operations.

“It’s a sensitive area,” Del Grande said. “But an honest discussion needs to be had about how costs need to be controlled here.”

Del Grande argued the cuts are needed to hold the 2013 residential property tax hike to 1.95 per cent. That’s an increase of $48, bringing the total bill for municipal services to $2,515 from $2,467 on a house assessed at $474,366.

He said he has challenged his critics on council who oppose the cuts to find offsetting reductions elsewhere or recommend an even bigger tax hike.

“They’re afraid to do so, but they’re great at squawking about it,” Del Grande said. There’s no shortage of people coming to the budget committee and asking for more.”

Ford’s brother, Councillor Doug Ford, usually participates in the weekly radio discussion but the mayor said his brother couldn’t attend Sunday.



What musical instrument will Rob Ford play as Toronto burns?

The population of Toronto is going UP, not down! If there are more people and homes in the city, we need more firefighters. Unless this is part of Rob's urban renewal.

Fire station #424 was one of the first trucks at the scene of the fire at James Bell Playground in High Park. Another reason to get rid of the station?
 
What musical instrument will Rob Ford play as Toronto burns?

The population of Toronto is going UP, not down! If there are more people and homes in the city, we need more firefighters. Unless this is part of Rob's urban renewal.

Fire station #424 was one of the first trucks at the scene of the fire at James Bell Playground in High Park. Another reason to get rid of the station?

Not all areas of Toronto has increase in population. Some areas might even decrease once the children grow up and move out of the house. Most of the growing areas are where they're building tons of condos. Those areas need more fire departments to service the people. It should spread so one station services a certain amount of residents. So it would be a wise decision to close some stations too close together in low density areas and build more stations in dense areas. Demographics change so strategies should reflect that.
 
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