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Unless he does an honestly sincere, 30 minute mea culpa that answers, in total honesty, everything we have been asking for months, it is of no value or novelty as far as I'm concerned. SunNews may want to join the ranks of the enablers, I'm not going to play along.
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That point was past months ago - the damage is done, and any honestly sincere mea culpa serves no-one except himself.

AoD
 
First CNN and now Foxnews. The mayor has done an interview with John Roberts. Not sure when that one will air. For those keeping score, American media 2, local media 0.
 
newbie_2013 said:
Rob Ford touched many city structures (Housing corporation is one of them), where people were sitting very comfortably, doing practically nothing for generous compensations ( Oh, how we love free lunches! ). No wonder they want to get rid of somebody who is running city like business, making city more efficient and debt-free (read statistics: how much are those structures overspending each year?!).

Now media is telling us that Mayor Rob Ford is unfit for job. What kind of country is that?!!! Country where these journalists feeding public cheap sensations and lies. I do not know, if Rob Ford used cocaine or not. Until he is convicted, he is innocent. Did we hear from the judges? Was court hearing this issue? Update me, cause I know nothing of!

Publicly blaming father of using escort service is unrecoverable damage! Where is the evidence? What should his kids and wife, his family members feel? How can his kids go to school without being mocked constantly?

In this system, where even top political figures like senators (Duffy, Brasso, Wallin) stealing money(again doing nothing, many of them do not even show up to attend sessions), no wonder this country morally degrading. Dalton Mcguinty was giving bonus of 300+ K upon his exit as provincial Premier. Can you tell me what good did he do in his job as top province politician?
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In one breath you say the public can't judge Ford for his many illegal and incompetent acts because a court has not convicted him of any crimes, and then later accuse 3 Senators and Dalton McGuinty of committing crimes that they have not been convicted of in a court. Why do you get to pick and choose which politicians can be judged without trial, and the majority of Torontonians shouldn't?

P.S.

I hope realize you rebutted your own argument by demonstrating that the public must be able to judge corrupt politicians outside of the criminal courts.
 
Fox News Interview! Classic Ford!

What's the best part - his exasperation about how he keeps admitting horrible things he does and people keep not forgiving him OR how he's getting professional help, even though he's definitely not an addict of any kind. I think he really thinks that a personal trainer is "professional help."

Honestly, he seems hysterical. Why do American viewers give a crap when our next election date is?
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/11/1...getting-professional-help-says-hes-not-addict

Answer: The best part is "People like to take pictures of train wrecks, too." FoxNews, FTW!
 
dforthandbview said:
First CNN and now Foxnews. The mayor has done an interview with John Roberts. Not sure when that one will air. For those keeping score, American media 2, local media 0.
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For those who forgot, John Roberts was born in Toronto. He worked as J. D. Roberts for MuchMusic, CHUM, and CITY-TV (CityPulse Tonight).
 
TJ O'Pootertoot said:
Fox News Interview! Classic Ford!

What's the best part - his exasperation about how he keeps admitting horrible things he does and people keep not forgiving him OR how he's getting professional help, even though he's definitely not an addict of any kind. I think he really thinks that a personal trainer is "professional help."
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Textbook addict (and abuser) behaviour. On the rare occasions they DO acknowledge their behaviour, usually when they've painted themselves into a corner, they expect IMMEDIATE forgiveness and forgetness. That's his whole deal with wanting to "move on". It means "never inconvenience me with talk of my misconduct again".
 
I wonder what him doing interviews with the foreign press exclusively (ie. people who do not vote for him) seems to say about what he thinks of this future plans - electoral or otherwise. Or maybe in his world all the local media are biased against him.
 
Re: The folks who continue to support Ford despite everything. This can obviously be attributed to sheer tribalism (as I've said myself here and at other forums), but breaking it down into smaller components, what's the deal? What makes these people tick?

I think it can ultimately all be boiled down to a toxic stew of small mindedness and cultural resentments. There are other factors at work as well (envy's one), but those are the two biggies, IMO. A writer named John Dolan contributed a 2011 essay to the Exiled Online called "Reagan's Cheshire Snarl," which was a sort of memoir of what it was like to grow up amongst the blue collar "salt-of-the-earth" types who loved then-Governor Ronald Reagan, and who propelled Richard Nixon into the White House twice. Basic far right, John Bircher/Tea Party types. Not very bright. Mean as hell, and angry at anyone who wasn't essentially just like them. They harbored a great deal of anger at the student demonstrations and social upheavals of the time (the late 60's/early 70's, natch), and Dolan thought this sentiment animated them far more than even their racism did. Which, considering the enormity of their racism, is saying something.

I like to refer to this attitude as a sort of willful peasant mentality. These people knew their place, and simply resented others who didn't know theirs'. In point of fact, "their place" was actually pretty comfortable at the time because this was the hayday of union power in the States, and they had well-paying jobs, so they were hardly suffering any. They were ripe for the plucking for skillfull demagogues like Reagan and Nixon, who could stroke their egos, pander to their prejudices, tell them exactly what they wanted to hear...and rob them blind in the process, of course. These stupid, selfish bastards were perfectly willing to go along with political forces that would dramatically, radically lower their own quality of life. And what could they do afterwards except ruthlessly double down on their fantasizing and screech that the hated "others" were to blame, whoever that happened to be? They sure as hell weren't going to admit to their own roles in the downfall of America's middle class, now, were they?

We're seeing the same type of creatures at work with Rofo's dead end base of rubes. It's the same mindset that's pushed legitimate political debate (and the entire political spectrum, really) ever disasterously further and further to the right over the past 30 to 40 years. It's the same mentality that's turned the Republican Party into something more along the lines of one of Europe's openly fascist political parties like the National Front. Slob and Thug's remaining mouth-frothers are not the brightest bulbs in the box, but they are prideful, and they simply are not going to admit they were wrong about Ford, even if he's caught on camera sodomizing dead geese in one his oh-so famous drunken stupors.
 
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newbie_2013 said:
Rob Ford touched many city structures (Housing corporation is one of them), where people were sitting very comfortably, doing practically nothing for generous compensations ( Oh, how we love free lunches! ). No wonder they want to get rid of somebody who is running city like business, making city more efficient and debt-free (read statistics: how much are those structures overspending each year?!).

Now media is telling us that Mayor Rob Ford is unfit for job. What kind of country is that?!!! Country where these journalists feeding public cheap sensations and lies. I do not know, if Rob Ford used cocaine or not. Until he is convicted, he is innocent. Did we hear from the judges? Was court hearing this issue? Update me, cause I know nothing of!

Publicly blaming father of using escort service is unrecoverable damage! Where is the evidence? What should his kids and wife, his family members feel? How can his kids go to school without being mocked constantly?

In this system, where even top political figures like senators (Duffy, Brasso, Wallin) stealing money(again doing nothing, many of them do not even show up to attend sessions), no wonder this country morally degrading. Dalton Mcguinty was giving bonus of 300+ K upon his exit as provincial Premier. Can you tell me what good did he do in his job as top province politician?
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Umm..ya..about that...

1) You do so know that Rob Ford used cocaine or not because he admitted to using cocaine. You choose to use a legal standard so it takes away your self responsibility for ignoring the fact that he admitted he used cocaine. Crack is a smokeable form of cocaine.So therefore he can not be presumed innocent when he has admitted publicly he did something. I am prepared to take him at his word that he did in fact smoke crack cocaine.

2) No one publicly blamed him of using an escort service. People made statements to police, that they thought would be privileged information, that they believed in was in the company of an a female that they believed to be an escort.

3) His children are 8 and 5 years old; I think they have more to worry about "having cooties" at that age or girls/boys are icky than new headlines. ;) It's not going to go well in that family dynamic probably later on when they kids do find out about all this but Robbie has to deal with the fallout of his shenanigans himself. And for his wife, well, he was the one who dragged her out for the World to see on the news. Even if it was at her suggestion, which I doubt, I think a bigger man would have told her "thanks but stay out of it".

4) I think the moral degradation has more to do with people excusing inexcusable behaviour and making excuses for people instead of letting them eat their fair share of humble pie. People used to be humiliated by their own bad behaviour but when you (the collective "you") have people that support it and even encourage it at some level...meh...who do you blame anymore?
 
John_Dee said:
Re: The folks who continue to support Ford despite everything. This can obviously be attributed to sheer tribalism (as I've said myself here and at other forums), but breaking it down into smaller components, what's the deal? What makes these people tick?

I think it can ultimately all be boiled down to a toxic stew of small mindedness and cultural resentments. There are other factors at work as well (envy's one), but those are the two biggies, IMO. A writer named John Dolan contributed a 2011 essay to the Exiled Online called "Reagan's Cheshire Snarl," which was a sort of memoir of what it was like to grow up amongst the blue collar "salt-of-the-earth" types who loved then-Governor Ronald Reagan, and who propelled Richard Nixon into the White House twice. Basic far right, John Bircher/Tea Party types. Not very bright. Mean as hell, and angry at anyone who wasn't essentially just like them. They harbored a great deal of anger at the student demonstrations and social upheavals of the time (the late 60's/early 70's, natch), and Dolan thought this sentiment animated them far more than even their racism did. Which, considering the enormity of their racism, is saying something.

I like to refer to this attitude as a sort of willful peasant mentality. These people knew their place, and simply resented others who didn't know theirs'. In point of fact, "their place" was actually pretty comfortable at the time because this was the hayday of union power in the States, and they had well-paying jobs, so they were hardly suffering any. They were ripe for the plucking for skillfull demagogues like Reagan and Nixon, who could stroke their egos, pander to their prejudices, tell them exactly what they wanted to hear...and rob them blind in the process, of course. These stupid, selfish bastards were perfectly willing to go along with political forces that would dramatically, radically lower their own quality of life. And what could they do afterwards except ruthlessly double down on their fantasizing an screech that the hated "others" were to blame, whoever they happened to be? They sure as hell weren't going to admit to their own roles in the downfall of America's middle class, now, were they?

We're seeing the same type of creatures at work with Rofo's dead end base of rubes. It's the same mindset that's pushed legitimate political debate (and the entire political spectrum, really) ever disasterously further and further to the right over the past 30 to 40 years. It's the same mentality that's turned the Republican Party into something more along the lines of one of Europe's openly fascist political parties like the National Front. Slob and Thug's remaining mouth-frothers are not the brightest bulbs in the box, but they are prideful, and they simply are not going to admit they were wrong about Ford, even if he's caught on camera sodomizing dead gesse in one his oh-so famous drunken stupors.
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Look up Edward Bernays, if you are not already familiar with him. This sort of mass psychological manipulation has been going on since we've had mass communications. It's scary how well it works. And no one likes to admit they were duped, so it keeps on working. It's quite possible that Rob Ford will win another term as mayor.
 
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