afransen
Senior Member
I frequently see people going to turn on a 'no right on red' signal while cycling. I look at them, point at the sign, and they usually just smile, wave, then turn anyway. Unreal.
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Roads: Traffic Signals
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reaperexpress
Senior Member
Which reminds me of another problem: When they put in a bike box, they (correctly) install No Right Turn on Red signs, but they often forget to add "Bicycles Excepted" tabs. So apparently bikes aren't allowed to turn right on red from a bike lane to another bike lane because there might be *checks notes* other bikes in the way ??? Other bikes waiting at the same stop line???
St George & Harbord (a location with lots of bicycle right turns):
After seeing a number of these nonsensical regulations, one's willingness to obey signals and signage is severely eroded.
I encounter even more nonsensical regulations while cycling than while driving.
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PL1
Senior Member
It's almo
It's almost like enforcement might make a difference
afransen
Senior Member
Oh, as a cyclist, I would ignore that sign too. I was referring to car drivers (I see how my comment was unclear). The purpose of this no right on red was to prevent conflicts with a double left turn lane turning into the same lanes.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Yeah I ignore it too when cycling, but it's problematic that our roadway designs/operations are training people to disregard traffic laws.
afransen
Senior Member
Oh, I agree. The worst offenders are "cyclists dismount and walk" at every cross-street on a multi-use path. Patently insane if they think anyone is going to comply with that. The kind of careless ass-covering that trains people to break the law.
Towered
Superstar
That one is so dumb - never once have I dismounted at a cross-street or whatever. It's just not going to happen.
PL1
Senior Member
It's as likely to be observed as a "drivers: put car in neutral and push car through construction zone"
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Well the nice thing in that case is that the icon is a green circle meaning "permission" as per the MUTCD signage principles that Canada follows.
So it's logically saying "you are permitted to walk your bike", to which my response is "okay cool, I'm not going to do that".
This is confirmed by the Ontario Traffic Manual itself, namely Book 1A:
"A green annular band shall indicate a permissive message" (emphasis added)
Yet Ontario Traffic Manual Book 12 claims that the bikes dismount sign means:
On top of contradicting the fundamental principles of North American traffic sign design, it also contradicts the intent of every other green circle sign in the manual.
For example, this sign means "cycling is permitted", not "you are required to ride a bicycle"
This sign means "trucks permitted", not "you are required to drive a truck"
This sign means "hazardous goods permitted", not "you are required to have hazardous goods"
Per the MUTCD, requirements are to be communicated with a black-and-white sign, not a green circle (with specific exceptions like stop signs, yield signs etc).
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artemperederii
Active Member
Just wanted to show new beautiful traffic lights that Moscow is currently testing, this is flat LED panel with an interesting feature - an outline that copies a colour of a signal for better attention
ndawgg
Active Member
Not sure if this is the right place, but I’ve noticed there’s been work happening at the Yonge street intersections just north of College. Today when I walked by Yonge and Wood it looked like possibly traffic light or light post bases had been installed. Does anyone know if they putting traffic lights there?
Northern Light
Superstar
ndawgg
Active Member
Thanks so much! This intersection is always a bit of a mess so hopefully this will help!
Towered
Superstar
New lights installed at Lansdowne and Dundas to service the No Frills...
Northern Light
Superstar
Tell the truth, I'm not a fan of more traffic lights in an area w/them so close together. but the current Premier wouldn't like my preferred solution which would be to cut Yonge to one lane each way with cycle tracks and wider sidewalks, making car movements far more predictable.
I would also narrow Wood Street which is a whopping 14M curb to curb at Yonge, that's wide enough for a 4-lane road........that's just silly. Slash it in 1/2 to 7M.
Finally, I would put in a pedestrian refuge island on Yonge designed to block any through movement by cars from Wood to Grenville and vice versa, and to make both streets right-in, right-out at Yonge.
There, much better, no new lights required.
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