W. K. Lis
Superstar
Having all way stops at non-arterial intersections is not needed. In Europe, they use yield signs instead.
A better solution to slow down traffic is raised intersections and raised crossings.
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Road Safety & Vision Zero Plan
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Having all way stops at non-arterial intersections is not needed. In Europe, they use yield signs instead.
A better solution to slow down traffic is raised intersections and raised crossings.
Max Sterling
New Member
Quite the opposite. In fact if everyone drove like I did, the accident rate in the GTA would be almost nothing and traffic would be flowing much more smoothly everywhere. I guarantee if you sat in my car as a passenger for an hour, you'd agree 100%.
WislaHD
Superstar
I have seen successful integration of bike lanes on sidewalks in other cities. I don't understand why it is a faux-pas to suggest them here.
It is a cheap way to guarantee grade separation from the roadway and improve the safety of cyclists, and as others have said, pedestrians are few and far between in the suburbs.
It is a cheap way to guarantee grade separation from the roadway and improve the safety of cyclists, and as others have said, pedestrians are few and far between in the suburbs.
crs1026
Senior Member
This is a really unhelpful attitude - it's not just rude, it actually goes against understanding the problem we are trying to solve.
Any roadway is a perceptual and cognitive nightmare for individuals whether walking, cycling, or driving. One is attending to many things in many different directions. Lighting and visibility is variable and often adverse. Interpreting motion is often difficult.
Wilful distraction exacerbates all of this, yes.... but it is still a challenge when one is conscious of one's surroundings and maiking a good faith effort to stay safe. We very much need to analyse roadways to look for settings where something - a car, a child, a cyclist - run under the perceptual threshold.
I was appalled by where some normally thoughtful people have taken the whole "reflector" discussion. The police may have deserved some rebuke for taking credit for a solution that was condescending and tone-deaf to data and fact, but that doesn't make reflectors silly. They are essential, but they aren't a silver bullet - they may not solve some situations that are currently killing pedestrians, but they are damn worthwhile in others.
The "If you can't see something you must not be bright" disrespects just about everyone except maybe Spiderman and the Borg.
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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Not just a Toronto issue, nor restricted only to pedetrians - from CBC:
And the Star:
www.thestar.com
Quality of our efforts. By the way of deaths?
AoD
And the Star:
Greater Toronto Area News - GTA | The Star
Toronto area breaking news from the Star, including live news and features about Brampton, Mississauga, Durham, Halton, York and more on thestar.com.
www.thestar.com
Quality of our efforts. By the way of deaths?
AoD
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SunriseChampion
Senior Member
I know.....I almost got run down at least three times when I was in Frankfurt. It's normal there.
SunriseChampion
Senior Member
Not sure how you deduce that from posting about unaware pedestrians. Is this one of those logic tricks they didn't teach me in school?
salsa
Senior Member
Interestingly, I see quite a few of these all over the Cedarvale area, but they don't exist anywhere else in Toronto as far as I know. I wonder why that is? Perhaps it was an initiative by the local councillor at the time?
W. K. Lis
Superstar
If they just leave the potholes unfilled and the road surface in a bad condition, that itself will slow down the traffic.
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Admiral Beez
Superstar
I drive over these everyday to work when I try to get to the Allen from Bathurst south of Ellington.
Max Sterling
New Member
I disagree. If we agree that drivers definitely need to do more to keep pedestrians safe, there's no reason why we can't hold pedestrians to the same standard and have them do their part to keep themselves safe and avoid an accident that could cost them their lives.
You make it sound like its something super difficult to do and requires alot of effort and training to have pedestrians look, be alert and think before they cross and yet its so simple that its mind boggling why its not automatic. Again everyone locks their door before they leave their home without a second thought, why can't we get people to look around and make sure the way is safe before crossing be automatic as well especially when your life is on the line?
As a pedestrian if you're paying attention its easy as hell to see most if not all vehicles around you and react accordingly. Unless you're walking on a country road with no street lighting and the cars that are driving around all have no headlights on, its near impossible for an alert and aware person to not see a vehicle approaching them.
Why not try it yourself as an experiment? The next time you're walking around, just be aware of where cars are in relation to you and whether or not they may pose a threat to you and keep doing that when you're crossing a street and see if a car is able to get close to you without you knowing about it?
How is it condescending to simply offer a reflector that may help drivers see people more easily? There are countless times while driving that I could barely see pedestrians at night until I was very close to them because they were wearing dark clothing that made them blend in with the surroundings so well and I often saw them only because I saw their legs moving.
Again we would all love to have drivers be perfect and courteous and always thinking about pedestrian safety, but you and I both know that is fantasy and not reality, so knowing that why wouldn't you take all possible measures to protect yourself that you can against all the bad drivers out there?
On the other side when I'm driving I sure as hell wish every pedestrian would be constantly looking around while crossing the street so that they don't get surprised by a bad driver that might hit them otherwise. A pedestrian that is fully alert might still get struck by a vehicle anyways, but wouldn't you agree that the odds would be dramatically lower if they were paying attention and had at least a slim chance to react to a situation?
tiffer24
Senior Member
Vision Zero?
A driver was issued a citation in Richmond Hill on Friday morning after they were spotted travelling down the road with their windshield fully obscured by snow.
Police say that an officer stopped the vehicle in the Bantry and Bayview avenues area at around 9:30 a.m.
The driver was then issued a $110 fine for operating a vehicle without a clear view.
https://www.cp24.com/news/police-pull-over-driver-whose-windshield-was-covered-in-snow-1.4812023
A driver was issued a citation in Richmond Hill on Friday morning after they were spotted travelling down the road with their windshield fully obscured by snow.
Police say that an officer stopped the vehicle in the Bantry and Bayview avenues area at around 9:30 a.m.
The driver was then issued a $110 fine for operating a vehicle without a clear view.
https://www.cp24.com/news/police-pull-over-driver-whose-windshield-was-covered-in-snow-1.4812023
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Fred.S
Active Member
lenaitch
Senior Member
I'm not how I'm expected to take this guy. Is this his first trip to Europe? I imagine when he hit London or any other centuries old city in Europe he must have had heart palpitations.