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TJ O'Pootertoot

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The actions of the media helped kill her campaign and ensured that the issues were not talked about.
We're getting off-thread but: Good for the media. She finished in 3rd, it's true - and couldn't even get 3.5% of the vote. Not quite the same as a team finishing 3rd, just a couple of games out of a playoff spot.

By "actions of the media, killing her campaign" I presume you mean - for example - Sue Ann Levy writing a completely false story about goat sacrifices in hotel that lead to Goldy holding a press conference in front of the same hotel, demonizing the refugees who stayed there?

Personally, I think it's a really good example of how they killed her campaign - by dog whistling and showing voters how willing she was to amplify those dog whistles into racist howls. Which is to say, by showing who she was. But fear not - Conrad Black still likes her. Him and GOP pariah Steve King.

This likely contributed in some way to the record breaking homicides in Toronto last year.
Riiiight. I thought it was more, like, the guy in the van mowing down people and then the other guy shooting people on the Danforth, but maybe it was actually the Toronto Star's City Hall coverage. Something to think about for all of us.
 
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I'd say it's likely because the goal of the left (maybe not the stated goal, but the result of their governance) is to lower the overall standard, and rely on a few very rich donors to support you.
I don't understand what you are saying. Please elaborate.
 

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I don't understand what you are saying. Please elaborate.
Easiest way to make most people more equal, is to make them equally poor.
To obtain you party donations, you need policies to make the very few, very happy.
That's why Liberals are viewed as the party of big business, while the Conservatives are the party of small business.
With small business, there are various degrees of success, leading to a broad range of incomes and standards of living.
It's off topic, but this shows which groups gained big under the Liberals.

https://postmediaottawacitizen2.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/0926-income-inequality-b.jpg?quality=65&strip=all
 
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Easiest way to make most people more equal, is to make them equally poor.
I thought Reagan-era, trickle-down economics believed the opposite. Are we conceding it didn't quite work out or just launching undergrad-level criticisms of socialism?

To obtain you party donations, you need policies to make the very few, very happy.
That's why Liberals are viewed as the party of big business, while the Conservatives are the party of small business.
Riiiiiiiiiight.
This is why Bay Street, as a general rule, steers way clear of the PCs; certainly if I looked at the donor list for Doug Ford's campaign I wouldn't see any "big business." No developers, for example, I'm sure. Ernie Eves and Mike Harris certainly don't hold any board positions for any large corporations. Saying this is how the parties are "viewed" (by whom? by you?) this way is pretty broad. Immagonnasay, you're not entirely accurate there (both with how they are generally viewed and certainly in terms of what they actually are).

Really, this is like arguing that Coke is generally viewed as the superior cola to Pepsi, because that's what their ads say.
 

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I thought Reagan-era, trickle-down economics believed the opposite. Are we conceding it didn't quite work out or just launching undergrad-level criticisms of socialism?



Riiiiiiiiiight.
This is why Bay Street, as a general rule, steers way clear of the PCs; certainly if I looked at the donor list for Doug Ford's campaign I wouldn't see any "big business." No developers, for example, I'm sure. Ernie Eves and Mike Harris certainly don't hold any board positions for any large corporations. Saying this is how the parties are "viewed" (by whom? by you?) this way is pretty broad. Immagonnasay, you're not entirely accurate there (both with how they are generally viewed and certainly in terms of what they actually are).

Really, this is like arguing that Coke is generally viewed as the superior cola to Pepsi, because that's what their ads say.
I will admit that the Liberals are for supporting corparations.
 

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I will admit that the Liberals are for supporting corparations.
I see the Progressive Conservatives as supporting corporations. Don't think Liberals support "corparations", but people, more in the middle or centre. I consider the New Democratic Party supports unions.
 

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The actions of the media helped kill her campaign and ensured that the issues were not talked about. This likely contributed in some way to the record breaking homicides in Toronto last year.
Okay, I'll join this little off-topic romp. What part of her platform, that was apparently not talked about by the media, would have lowered or at least stabilized Toronto's murder rate? I didn't follow the leadership that closely but kind of thought she lost because she was narrow-focused faith-based and faith-baiting.
 

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I see the Progressive Conservatives as supporting corporations. Don't think Liberals support "corparations", but people, more in the middle or centre. I consider the New Democratic Party supports unions.
Well, the PCs are for small business, so then they can't also be for corporations, can they ??
 

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Well, the PCs are for small business, so then they can't also be for corporations, can they ??
They all support corporations! Look at their campaign finances. It's all the same people.
Everything else - like the notion that Doug Ford is for "the little guy" and Wynne was for "the elite." Is just marketing. Really, this discussion is so naive it's kind of beneath the usual smart stuff here on UT.
That's not to say there aren't differences between the individuals and their parties but it's way beyond simplistic to say the NDP's main thing is their pro-union, the Liberals are mostly pro-corporation and the the PCs are mainly small business. As an obvious example, you think all this talk about the Greenbelt and lower densities benefits small business? Is that who the Ontario Homebuilders Association and BILD represent when they applaud the government's policy? Just, jeeze.

Like David Mamet once wrote, "Everybody needs money. That's why they call it money."
 

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They all support corporations! Look at their campaign finances. It's all the same people.
Everything else - like the notion that Doug Ford is for "the little guy" and Wynne was for "the elite." Is just marketing. Really, this discussion is so naive it's kind of beneath the usual smart stuff here on UT.
That's not to say there aren't differences between the individuals and their parties but it's way beyond simplistic to say the NDP's main thing is their pro-union, the Liberals are mostly pro-corporation and the the PCs are mainly small business. As an obvious example, you think all this talk about the Greenbelt and lower densities benefits small business? Is that who the Ontario Homebuilders Association and BILD represent when they applaud the government's policy? Just, jeeze.

Like David Mamet once wrote, "Everybody needs money. That's why they call it money."
Well, DoFo is of the elite type as you were saying, so I'd say from what you've telling me, they support corporations.
 

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At this point I can't tell which posts are being ironic and which aren't.
DoFo doesn't think he's elite. Like Donald Trump, he's rich and well-connected but "noveau riche" and feels (probably rightly!) looked down upon. So he's no Ordinary Joe, so to speak, but I think it's clear Ford's policies are pro-business, big and small.

But we were talking about regional governance, right? I think we need some!
 

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At this point I can't tell which posts are being ironic and which aren't.
DoFo doesn't think he's elite. Like Donald Trump, he's rich and well-connected but "noveau riche" and feels (probably rightly!) looked down upon. So he's no Ordinary Joe, so to speak, but I think it's clear Ford's policies are pro-business, big and small.

But we were talking about regional governance, right? I think we need some!
Regional governance is a very elite activity! ( sacrasm )
 
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