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Quebec-Windsor Corridor

The Conservatives have been pushing for a rail connection to Peterborough for ages, and there's quite a bit of support for the idea in the community from across the political spectrum. Although it's not the bellwether it used to be, it's still competitive and not a riding the Conservatives can afford to lose.
To add to this, Peterborough itself voted Liberal in 2021, by roughly ~4-5%, but the riding of Peterborough--Kawartha went CPC by ~4%. Like Kingston and Belleville in 2019 they're Liberal wins under the right circumstances even with the rural areas added in in the case of Peterborough and Belleville. Similarly, if Barrie were not split between two rural riding it too would likely not go CPC. Anyway!
 
So as a reminder during that HFR committee study awhile back, the conservatives, BQ and NDP all said. "Great idea, we need more details first"

Which in effect is the same that the government still has. wait 6 years, get detailed design and pricing then get approval
 
If they are adamant that the service won't require any subsidies, then the ticket prices will likely be pretty expensive which will sap ridership. If they want to get high ridership and get a good chunk of cars off the road, they'll need to subsidize the service somewhat i think .
 
The Conservatives have been pushing for a rail connection to Peterborough for ages....
Aren't the Conservatives under PM Mulroney the ones that shut down the existing passenger rail to Peterborough in 1990? And IIRC, the Conservatives under PM Harper government canceled federal funding in 2010 that had been earmarked for a feasibility study into reinstating VIA Rail service between Peterborough and Toronto - effectively halting the Shining Waters Railway plans on reviving passenger rail service in the region.

Would the Conservatives under PM Poilievre, a well known passenger rail skeptic now support a rail connection to Peterborough where Mulroney and Harper would not?

I'd think the traffic from Trent University and Fleming College in Peterborough would fill a lot of seats even if the train wasn't HSR/HFR.
 
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So as a reminder during that HFR committee study awhile back, the conservatives, BQ and NDP all said. "Great idea, we need more details first"

Which in effect is the same that the government still has. wait 6 years, get detailed design and pricing then get approval
Is that what you hear when you hear “great idea, we will need more details first.” I hear great idea to get votes and when the costs come in so far down the road we will kick it further down the road, be out of office or outright cancel it.
 
Is that what you hear when you hear “great idea, we will need more details first.” I hear great idea to get votes and when the costs come in so far down the road we will kick it further down the road, be out of office or outright cancel it.
I honestly think this time is different.
Everyone agrees we need great infrastructure; everyone agrees countries like Japan, Spain and France do amazing rail services.
If this is a project that puts us up there with them, there really wouldnt be complaints about the price

Look at the 401 tunnel, as bad of an idea it is, people dont care that its being proposed because to normies "its doing something to improve society. 100 billion? for sure lets do it" propaganda be damned though....

I think the lets call it "fear of the price tag" has been hurting infrastructure in the last 40-50 years, look at some of the new nuclear reactors. minimum 40-50 billion. Do we care? no because we absolutely needed it yesterday
 
I honestly think this time is different.
Everyone agrees we need great infrastructure; everyone agrees countries like Japan, Spain and France do amazing rail services.
If this is a project that puts us up there with them, there really wouldnt be complaints about the price

Look at the 401 tunnel, as bad of an idea it is, people dont care that its being proposed because to normies "its doing something to improve society. 100 billion? for sure lets do it" propaganda be damned though....

I think the lets call it "fear of the price tag" has been hurting infrastructure in the last 40-50 years, look at some of the new nuclear reactors. minimum 40-50 billion. Do we care? no because we absolutely needed it yesterday
I generally think when people say this time is different what they mean is this is a project they support so they hope this time is different.

Were people. We’re supposed to be hopeful. So I get it. But announcing things immediately before an election does not bring me confidence and even worse when you’ve essentially been pushed out.
 

I'm pretty concerned that air Canada is part of this consortium, it just screams conflict of interest with their competing business models. Hopefully, they won't be incompetent enough to scuttle this project.

Also very one sided towards French companies. How can they say they're an international consortium when they're all based out of Paris and Montréal? Sounds political to me

Ridiculously slanderous from somebody who has zero idea how federal contracting works.
 
Here are my thoughts on it all.... First, great news.

Second,when will we see actual construction along the route.

Third, what happens to the existing stations along those lines? Will Via be running slower trains as a 'milk run'


As others have pointed out, there is a lack of stations that seem to be obvious. Whether it be one in Ottawa, one in the GTA, or even one on the east side of Montreal, it seems that it will require everyone to get to those few stations, which could be problematic.

Yeah there's no way from Gare Centrale to Laval without using the tunnel, unless the train backs out to Cote St Luc and goes the long way around the mountain. Which would defeat the entire purpose of the high speed network.

Could they tunnel new tunnels for this?
Since the trains likely would be double ended, could they do what the existing Senneterre/Jonquiere trains do to go that way?

That segment will likely need to be provincially led, or at the minimum a partnership between the feds/province with province offering important funding.

Could we here within days one of the provincial parties announce that? If they do, would that be a thing that would get them voted in? Would this be something Ford might do? If they are built with the same technology, it would make sense for it to be a provincial section.

Exactly.
Any party may well say, “we oppose this” - but now they pretty much have to explain what they would do instead. A position of “lets just keep building airports and highways” will not sit well with voters.
The full HSR is not out of the woods yet, but every party will have to take a position.
A HSR Light position may emerge.- but this is politics now, not transport planning. Once one party offers the voters nice things, being pragmatic and watching pennies just isn’t sexy.

- Paul

The thing I think about is that even with tariffs still looming, this is a project that will pay good jobs for the area, and no party would want to cancel good jobs. Theya re seeing the outrage down south.
 
Agreed. Quebec shot themselves in the foot by allowing the REM to take up all the real estate in the tunnel going under Mount Royale.

Constructing the 407 freight bypass would make the idea of an Ontario intra-provincial line from Windsor - Toronto more likely. The line could eventually be extended up to Peterborough and Ottawa.
It’s not ideal that tracks used my multiple parties is now in private hands. That being said, 2 tracks for REM plus the previous exo lines and then VIA is not doable. REM will be running very high frequency, so another tunnel under Mont Royal will be inevitable in the long term .
 
I generally think when people say this time is different what they mean is this is a project they support so they hope this time is different.

Were people. We’re supposed to be hopeful. So I get it. But announcing things immediately before an election does not bring me confidence and even worse when you’ve essentially been pushed out.
The timing of the election is immaterial to this announcement. They're still (mostly) following the project schedule they published back in 2022, which showed they would select the winning bid by the end of 2024.
It's fair to question was they didn't spend more effort in their first term advancing this project but folks are wrong to compare this to the Ontario Liberal's pre-election HSR promise.
 

I'm pretty concerned that air Canada is part of this consortium, it just screams conflict of interest with their competing business models. Hopefully, they won't be incompetent enough to scuttle this project.

Also very one sided towards French companies. How can they say they're an international consortium when they're all based out of Paris and Montréal? Sounds political to me
And I think Air Canada being involved helps the chances of this proceeding. They’re being smart knowing this will harm their short haul flights, but theoretically could recapture revenue from rail through the partnership Cadence.
 
Exactly. Fraud exists everywhere, but what doesn’t exist media encouraged to criticize the government and accountability through fair elections.
What does that have to do with China's HSR? Besides, I don't think allowing 14 year old non-citizens voting for our next PM is exactly "fair"
 

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