Jasmine18
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3m usually makes good stuff
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Premier Doug Ford's Ontario
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lenaitch
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They do, which piques my curiosity. I've dealt with them on some commercial-grade applications, although many years ago.
yrt+viva=1system
Senior Member
All of this brings me to the old saying:
“If it isn’t broken, why fix it?”
They brought it upon themselves to mess with the old license plates. My question is, was there ever a open bid for this contract or was it sole sourced to 3M?
“If it isn’t broken, why fix it?”
They brought it upon themselves to mess with the old license plates. My question is, was there ever a open bid for this contract or was it sole sourced to 3M?
lenaitch
Senior Member
According to a Star article, they are a vendor-of-record which makes sense this licence plate production in an ongoing service. I assume they are only supplying the overlay - as far as I know the plates are still manufactured by Trilcor (Solicitor General, Correctional Services).
zang
Senior Member
The Welfare system was under strain from the biggest economic crisis in Ontario since the Great Depression, and Feds upping the interest rate exacerbated that by reducing overall affordability for people and driving businesses away from the province. In short, more people were put out of work due to the recession. The welfare system is there to protect people in situations of employment distress. 1 + 1 = 2. Would those newly unemployed people have done better had a hard limit been put on welfare? Should the province have turned people away in a time of job losses and rising prices?
Hearing that Rae "messed up the finances" mean the right-wing spin doctors got exactly what they wanted. Don't go by what you hear. Go and do some research on what actually happened. In the meantime, here are some long-term charts displaying what actually happened during that time (NDP term Oct 1990-Jun 1995 marked with orange):
Canada's unemployment rate (note the sharp spike upward starting in late 1988):
Ontario GDP (note the drop in GDP in late 1988):
Business Entry/Exit rate (note that businesses really started leaving Ontario during the 1987-1988 year):
Length of layoff periods (note: the numbers start going up in 1988):
LICO (low-income cutoffs; the percentage who spends the majority of their income on Food, Shelter and Clothing—a lower LICO means more disposable income). Note that LICO was already on the way up in 1989:
EDIT: I've overly simplified what LICOs are, but if you'd like to read more, read what the government says they are:https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75f0002m/2012002/lico-sfr-eng.htm
Rae put into motion a number of things to combat further job losses, like the aforementioned "Rae Days". Yes, Rae borrowed more money to combat the effects of the recession, but again, Ontario was losing jobs, the economy had tanked. Imagine the situation had the public sector *also* fired the numbers of employees the private sector had.
The trends on these graphs show the province and it's finances/economy were already on the way of being effed, well before Rae took power.
So when our resident troll likes to pull out the graph below, they do so without laying out the context of trying to mitigate the worst economic situation since the great depression. Things like keeping public employee jobs, handling a greater number of people on social assistance, combating a high unemployment rate high, and raising the minimum wage to combat the federal interest rate hike and keeping further numbers out of poverty:
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AlvinofDiaspar
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Not to mention the late 80s/early 90s was also the beginning of the de-industrialization process here in Ontario (as part of the greater shift due to FTA/NAFTA), and right around the time when our property bubble popped as well.
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zang
Senior Member
Indeed. The fed raising the interest rate was a direct reaction to NAFTA.
Jasmine18
Senior Member
Issue I know a lot of older people who just wont consider the ndp due to the 'horrors of bob rae'
Sort why I feel they have a ceiling of support in this province.
All the parties in this province seem to have a albatross around them due to thier past or current leaders today.
Sort why I feel they have a ceiling of support in this province.
All the parties in this province seem to have a albatross around them due to thier past or current leaders today.
zang
Senior Member
It's a fake ceiling though, echoed primarily by conservatives.
No one seems to apply a ceiling that low on the Conservatives after the crap that Harris pulled. Our minimum wage stayed at an unsustainably low $6.85 under the conservatives, with 18% inflation over that time (making it equivalent to $5.60 by the end). Harris increased the overall tax burden on Ontarians by downloading costs to the municipalities. That increase of costs imposed on rural communities directly led to e.Coli deaths in Walkerton. He sold off public assets and decimated public transit, social housing, education and healthcare. Your hydro or highway 407 bill is more expensive because of him. He cancelled the Eglinton West subway line (which we have been forced to build anyway 30 years later in the Eglinton Crosstown). He gave a tax credit to rich families sending their kids to private schools. An inquiry deemed him personally responsible for the death of Dudley George during the Ipperwash standoff. He withdrew taxation powers from local school boards; leading to vast differences in quality of education in urban areas.
Harris also instituted the "Sunshine List" in 1996, listing all government employees making more than $100,000. But that threshold hasn't changed. So while $100k in 1996 is more than $150k in today's money, those making $100k in 2020 get a huge spotlight on them, despite it being the equivalent of $65k in 1996. It's a Neo-liberal gift that keeps on giving—and causing false resentment in the general populace.
Yet no one says "there's no way the Conservative Party can get elected again". In fact, people like BurlOak tout his term as one of the greats to be used as a model for all future governments.
Jasmine18
Senior Member
The thing is the legacy of mike harris was very effectively used by the provincial liberals to scare away voters from the tories and keep power...(tory leaders with dumb ideas as well)
In the the end Tories won power not by having people like their ideas..
It was that anger at wynne became a stronger force then the tarnished legacy of conservatives.
No doubt future conservative party will run into similar issues with the legacy of doug ford.
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zang
Senior Member
It obviously had zero effect with the dumbest dumbass of a leader ever to run the party wining the plurality of the votes. Despite his personal ties to Mike Harris, and a refusal to produce of any kind of economic plan.
That's quite obvious. A fresh wave of racism and homophobia combined with cheap beer led to a surge in uninformed voters and his win. And I'll stand by that 'till the end.
Anger doesn't lead to "Orville Reddebacher" mockery; homophobia does. Wynne got blamed for the failings of McGuinty, who campaigned on a centre right platform, and tenuously kept the premier seat by appealing to conservatives.
But it'd doubtful anything close to the trumped up false resentment towards the NDP party that exists.
They're *to this day* blamed for a recession that started before they took office, and not credited for an economy on the mend when they left office.
Jasmine18
Senior Member
I dont wynee was hated by homophobes only...
I know a few gay men who hated her with a passion lol
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I know a few gay men who hated her with a passion lol
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W. K. Lis
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#Plategate isn't the only example of this government's incompetence. Here's how Doug Ford bungled the math teacher proficiency tests.
tiffer24
Senior Member
Queen's Park reporter Mike Crawley was in the midst of a live news hit for CBC's Power and Politics Friday afternoon, when a guard was seen stepping in front of his camera, blocking his shot.
Video of the roughly three-minute incident, which amassed thousands of views online, ends with a party official telling the guard to stand down.
The company that employed a security guard seen blocking a CBC News reporter's camera during a live television report outside the Ontario Progressive Conservative policy convention is speaking out now, saying the guard took instructions directly from party officials.
"We were instructed by the PC party to remove media from the property," Viking Security co-owner Tammy Rolland told CBC News. "We did not create the 'no media' rule nor did we act on our own accord."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pc-security-guard-reporter-cbc-crawley-1.5472871
Video of the roughly three-minute incident, which amassed thousands of views online, ends with a party official telling the guard to stand down.
The company that employed a security guard seen blocking a CBC News reporter's camera during a live television report outside the Ontario Progressive Conservative policy convention is speaking out now, saying the guard took instructions directly from party officials.
"We were instructed by the PC party to remove media from the property," Viking Security co-owner Tammy Rolland told CBC News. "We did not create the 'no media' rule nor did we act on our own accord."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pc-security-guard-reporter-cbc-crawley-1.5472871
