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Premier Doug Ford's Ontario

It's the old power corrupts thing. I am quite sure that many of their sycophants privately think Trump and Ford are jerks, but they enjoy their positions of power too much to rock the boat.
 
Well then, why didn't certain other groups also flood the website? Or perhaps Doug's hearing was skewed during campaigning?
 
Lets all be real here Ford cannot back down on the sex ed curriculum it will lose him a lot of support from religious minority communities.(Who are not the type to show up to government consultations)
 
From the National Post, at their link.

Sex-ed consult website flooded by 'certain groups' who may have skewed results: Ford

Ontario Premier Doug Ford is suggesting the results of an online consultation on sex education were skewed by “certain groups” in the early stages of the process.

The premier was asked Tuesday whether the province would respect the outcome of the consultation after documents obtained by The Canadian Press showed an overwhelming majority of those who weighed in on the first day opposed his repeal of a modernized sex-ed curriculum introduced by the previous Liberal government.

Out of roughly 1,600 submissions to the ForTheParents.ca website obtained through a freedom of information request, roughly two dozen supported the Progressive Conservative government’s decision to repeal the document and temporarily replace it with one based on the 1998 curriculum.

“Did certain groups flood it right at the beginning? (They) did,” he said, though he did not elaborate on the nature of those groups. “We’re going to run through the 35,000 responses … and make a decision.”

The government launched the submissions website in August after Ford pledged to conduct what he called the largest consultations in the province’s history to create a new lesson plan.

At the time, the premier said teachers who used the repealed curriculum would face consequences, prompting critics to dub the website a “snitch line.
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The 1998 curriculum that temporarily replaced the scrapped document was panned by critics who said it didn’t address themes like gender identity, consent and cyber-safety.

The government later announced it had come up with an interim lesson plan that addressed those issues but experts said it contains only passing mention of modern concepts such as the internet and cellphones.

The 2015 curriculum brought in by the Liberals covered topics such as online bullying and sexting, as well as others — such as same-sex relationships, gender identity and masturbation — that opponents objected to.

The official Opposition said they expect the rest of the submissions will follow the same lines as the initial wave in expressing support for the modernized lesson plan.

“I think what this tells us is that if the government continues to move backward on the sex-ed curriculum, it’s going to be because the premier is listening to a very small number of his friends,” NDP legislator Marit Stiles said.

Some online submissions said Ford’s repeal of the modernized curriculum was putting children at risk while others said they were worried students were not receiving lessons on acceptance and understanding.

Many also questioned the expense and necessity of the submissions website after the previous Liberal government spent months consulting parents and experts to create their lesson plan.

The government has said it will be looking at the consultation data in January and writing and testing a new curriculum through the spring. The education minister has said the new document will be introduced in time for the new school year in the fall.
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Doug Ford continues to put his fingers in his years.

The 2015 curriculum came after seven (7) YEARS of consultation. How many MONTHS will Doug Ford's curriculum have?
 
Thorns_Embrace said:
Lets all be real here Ford cannot back down on the sex ed curriculum it will lose him a lot of support from religious minority communities.(Who are not the type to show up to government consultations)
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This argument is bunk.

These same people complained they weren't consulted in the first place. They can't have it both ways.

The truth of the matter is they are wrong.
 
There were extensive consultations the first time which resulted in the new curriculum. Then there were consultations this time, which resulted in support for the new curriculum. Of course there will always be those who don't agree, but they need to stop with the "I wasn't consulted" line, because it wasn't true then, and it isn't true now. Eat some crow, Doug, and restore it.
 
I really want to emphasize my point about visible minorities and the Ontario conservatives. There are 28 ridings that were over 50% visible minority in 2016. The PC party won 18 of these and were within 100 votes in 2 others. This is traditionally not a group that votes PC and I believe something caused them to swing. You may disagree with their motivation for voting this way but I really think the sex education curriculum was a big factor.
Source for the 28 ridings are here based on federal ridings, which are the same as provincial ridings :http://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/december-2017/the-growing-diversity-within-federal-ridings/


narduch said:
This argument is bunk.

These same people complained they weren't consulted in the first place. They can't have it both ways.

The truth of the matter is they are wrong.
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Your point is true in actual reality but not political reality, which I have learned is all that matters to politicians. And generally the side that doesn't get what they want complains about consultation. I guarantee that in a year the pro Wynne sex ed people will claim that they weren't consulted, despite the fact that statement contradicts the current claim that "most people consulted do not agree with Ford." It just the nature of politics in my opinion.
 
Thorns_Embrace said:
Lets all be real here Ford cannot back down on the sex ed curriculum it will lose him a lot of support from religious minority communities.(Who are not the type to show up to government consultations)
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That is a pretty stupid argument. It is a bit like people complaining about 'the government' and then not voting. The latest consultation may well have been flawed and very short but .....
 
I love that it isn't only The Star going after Thug. The Sun will never say much against him but The Globe and The Post have both been critical of him.
 
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