PM Mark Carney's Canada

[picard102]

Would love to know how much these EV's will cost consumers here, and what data protections we'll have.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Would love to know how much these EV's will cost consumers here, and what data protections we'll have.

What Canada (and the USA) needs is a digital privacy law with default opt-outs. We do have PIPEDA (Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act), which is a start. Also under Quebec provincial law, default tracking is illegal without explicit opt-in.

Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act - Wikipedia

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But really, if the Europeans and Australians can embrace Chinese EVs, so can we. I'll take a MG Cyberster please!

 

[urbanclient]

"We take the world as it is, not as we wish it to be." An explicit confirmation of Realpolitik right there. National interest over abstract ideological differences.

 

[lenaitch]

Think the only person who might be upset with the Canada/China agreement is Doug Ford, and he can go kick rocks. Carney's been able to please Moe and farmers, remove a big hurdle on affordability on electric vehicles whilst simultaneously pivoting away from American influence on our foreign affairs. A good visit.

We're in a really interesting spot. We need China now more than ever for diversifying our import/export and they can use us as a significant lever against the US across the board. The results can be seen in the outcomes.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-canadian-electric-vehicle-deal-china-9.7048225

"cheap made-in-China electric vehicles"

I'm old enough to remember when they said the same thing about Japanese vehicles when they first started entering the market in the 1960s. In some ways, they were, but they endured and improved. We have a competitive market. Data security concerns aside, so long as they meet Canadian motor vehicle safety standards, their impact on the market will depending on their quality, price point and support network.

 

[Mihairokov]

"cheap made-in-China electric vehicles"

I'm old enough to remember when they said the same thing about Japanese vehicles when they first started entering the market in the 1960s. In some ways, they were, but they endured and improved. We have a competitive market. Data security concerns aside, so long as they meet Canadian motor vehicle safety standards, their impact on the market will depending on their quality, price point and support network.

Said the same thing when Daewoo/KIA/Hyundai entered here 25 years ago and now they're equivalent or better to anything else. Chinese cars are head-and-shoulders ahead of where Korean cars were when they entered our market. And they'll still be cheaper. Ford is carrying water for American corporations.

My mom has a new Volkswagen and I was out driving it a few days ago and when I got home she asked how X place was when I went. "How'd you know that?" "Oh, the car has an app where I can check its location at any time". I know people have raised these data privacy concerns with domestic vehicles but if China or anyone else wanted traffic data they could simply use Google or any of our ATIP-abble data which is publicly available. If China wants to know that I go to Dollarama maybe they can update the pricing at PopMart. What are Americans gleaning from every Ford or Chevy on our roads?

 

[afransen]

Before the EV tariff, all of our EV imports from China were Teslas, after which Canadian market Teslas were sourced from the US. I wonder if Tesla Canada will switch back to China, or if China will only allow their own brands to be exported. I’d like to get myself a BYD Dolphin, especially if it’s $30k or less. The MGs are nice too.

Tesla is now sourcing Model Y (their main seller) from their Berlin factory for the Canadian market.

We might see some vehicles from China in Canada. It's possible they switch Model Y back to China, or maybe just some of the variants that are produced in China (their 7 seater long wheelbase Model Y L).

I expect we'll see some BYD and Xioamis enter the market as well.

 

[afransen]

Top 20 economies and the % of their exports that go to the US market.

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Mexico I can understand, but when the USA represents only about 16% of global purchasing power (PPP), there's no reason beyond complacency and short term thinking for Canada to be directing 76% of all our exports to the USA.

Canada should be aiming for something below 25% of exports to the USA (same as the post-Brexit UK does, above), while growing the remaining 75% to other markets. Carney is on the right track towards this, IMO.

25% is not realistic, absent major trade barriers. Canada trade with the US is akin to UK trade with the EU, not with the US.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Tesla is now sourcing Model Y (their main seller) from their Berlin factory for the Canadian market.

We might see some vehicles from China in Canada. It's possible they switch Model Y back to China, or maybe just some of the variants that are produced in China (their 7 seater long wheelbase Model Y L).

I expect we'll see some BYD and Xioamis enter the market as well.

The EV deal requires that at least half of the new cars from China would retail for less than CAD $35k. That cancels out Teslas for at least half.

 

[afransen]

The EV deal requires that at least half of the new cars from China would retail for less than CAD $35k. That cancels out Teslas for at least half.

There is no such requirement. It is import price (wholesale) and just 'anticipated'.

With this agreement, it is also anticipated that, in five years, more than 50% of these vehicles will be affordable EVs with an import price of less than $35,000, creating new lower-cost options for Canadian consumers"