Pickering Airport (Transport Canada/GTAA, Proposed)

[turbanplanner]

Just looking from afar but there does seem to available surrounding land for expansion, even expropriation if it were to be in public hands. However, as you note, there is money in them thar hills and opposition would be well funded.

I wonder which group of developers owns the surrounding lands.

The Feds already own the land for Pickering so no expropriation needed!

 

[Tim MacDonald]

3 hours is excessive not unheard of, 1-2 hour delays because of flow and planes will hold where they are departing from

Weather, @yyz or downline stations is really the only mass delay cause. A few years ago runway rehab caused delays but your argument that YYZ can't handle current traffic is wrong.

 

[turbanplanner]

Weather, @yyz or downline stations is really the only mass delay cause. A few years ago runway rehab caused delays but your argument that YYZ can't handle current traffic is wrong.

It's not so much that it can't handle current traffic (though Nav is having serious staffing issues, to the point YTZ's tower is occasionally unstaffed)

It seems dumb to basically keep putting all our eggs in one basket.

 

[lenaitch]

The Feds already own the land for Pickering so no expropriation needed!

I was responding to a post about the Brampton-Caledon airport, which is privately owned.

 

[Dan416]

As long as YYZ has opportunity to grow, talk of Pickering is premature in my mind. Keep it in public hands by all means, but we really don't need a Mirabel here.

 

[nfitz]

As long as YYZ has opportunity to grow, talk of Pickering is premature in my mind. Keep it in public hands by all means, but we really don't need a Mirabel here.

As a passenger airport, I agree.

 

[Midtown Hank]

Lmao I used to fly there, I personally can attest there is no space!

The neighbours are unhappy with Cessnas flying around there I can’t imagine the politics of adding jets if you had a big enough space!

Laugh all you want, but I too have been there on numerous occasions, most recently in a 421. I would agree that there would be opposition, but it could easily be expanded. My guess is that is exactly what will happen in the not too distant future. New Hwy 413 is planned to go immediately to the south.

 

[micheal_can]

 

[ShonTron]

Please don’t post links without context. That goes for BlogTO articles, tweets, even news articles. I’m not going to click on a YouTube link with a clickbait headline and watch multiple ads to figure out something that could have been said in one or two sentences.

 

[micheal_can]

Please don’t post links without context. That goes for BlogTO articles, tweets, even news articles. I’m not going to click on a YouTube link with a clickbait headline and watch multiple ads to figure out something that could have been said in one or two sentences.

The context is 2 of the top 5 busiest routes in Canada are Toronto- Montreal and Toronto - Ottawa. With true HSR, those routes could be severely cut, opening up more slots at Pears to other destinations. And if we look at the rest of the routes to Pearson from the rest of the Corridor, if HSR was extended between Windsor and Quebec city, a lot of those slots could open up too.

In short, if HSR ever is built, it will kill the Pickering Airport for scheduled flights. If that is the case, there is no real case for a new Greenfield construction airport.

 

[Coolibop]

... if HSR ever is built, it will kill the Pickering Airport for scheduled flights.

I will remind you that there were two options to be further studied so HSR doesn't quite eliminate as you suggest...even still it was only ever suggested to be a specialty passenger airport and unsure if tor-mtl and other were part of the plan...

I haven't seen any good suggestions that ULCC's are a good reason to make it a passenger airport... However there is still the industrial option:

According to the transport Canada report, mix between passenger, cargo, and GA.

Source

The cargo component aligns nicely with the innovation corridor along the 407.

Option A: Industrial Airport – assumes a new airport on the Pickering Lands would be developed primarily for aviation-related industrial purposes. This could include provisions for the development of large scale aviation industrial businesses, including but not limited to: aircraft/component manufacturing, maintenance, repair, and overhaul firms, avionics installation/repair, or aircraft parts supply and distribution.

 

[micheal_can]

I will remind you that there were two options to be further studied so HSR doesn't quite eliminate as you suggest...even still it was only ever suggested to be a specialty passenger airport...

I haven't seen any good suggestions that ULCC's are a good reason to make it a passenger airport... However there is still the industrial option:

The problem is, most air mail/cargo is flying on passenger planes. So, if that is the case, most of the cargo won't need a special airport.

And with the recent announcement about Spirit Airlines filing for bankruptcy, the ULCC may be coming to an end.

 

[Coolibop]

The problem is, most air mail/cargo is flying on passenger planes. So, if that is the case, most of the cargo won't need a special airport.

And with the recent announcement about Spirit Airlines filing for bankruptcy, the ULCC may be coming to an end.

Reread the last quote. It's not typical cargo (aircraft/component manufacturing, maintenance, repair, and overhaul firms, avionics installation/repair, or aircraft parts supply and distribution).

 

[nfitz]

The problem is, most air mail/cargo is flying on passenger planes. So, if that is the case, most of the cargo won't need a special airport.

Perhaps the best thing to do is look at an example where there is two big airports, and only one is passenger.

In Montreal, Mirabel had about 42,500 aircraft movements in 2022 while Trudeau had had about 200,000. That's 20%.

Meanwhile Pearson had about 640,000 movements in 2023.

 

[rbt]

Perhaps the best thing to do is look at an example where there is two big airports, and only one is passenger.

In Montreal, Mirabel had about 42,500 aircraft movements in 2022 while Trudeau had had about 200,000. That's 20%.

Indeed. An international FedEx cargo aircraft, for example, will often have its content distributed via regional passenger aircraft. For that reason many large cargo-only carriers often prefer to use airports with high passenger connectivity as the alternative requires a fleet of trucks to move good between the cargo airport and the passenger airport.