Northern Light
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Parking - Catch All
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Perhaps.
HousingNowTO
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It is just as likely that removing the Board and the “arms length” nature of TPA is the easiest way to convert their land holdings into Housing if you are going to BUILD CANADA HOMES with a portfolio-based financing request.
HousingNowTO
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Departure statement from Hartley Lefton, former Chair of TPA Board -
SOURCE - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hart...olivia-chow-activity-7394778147658919936-z1qh
SOURCE - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hart...olivia-chow-activity-7394778147658919936-z1qh
mburrrrr
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That sounds like a great "pro" resume. What does the "con" side say?
HousingNowTO
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The most recent Blake’s report (referenced above) on accusations of a rigged RFP shows no evidence of “wrong-doing”…
evandyk
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Parking is insanely cheap in Toronto, and the TPA's pricing strategy has always been completely out of line with the city's goals on traffic management and climate change.
But TBH, the work that has been done on Bike Share over the last few years has been phenomenal, so to the extent he's responsible, credit is due.
Bojaxs
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My guess is the city has determined that the benefits of "out of towners" coming to Toronto and spending money is worth more to the city than charging more for parking.
innsertnamehere
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I don't find parking to be particularly or noticeably cheaper than other major cities. Peak pricing downtown levels out below other major centres in north america, including cities much more car dependent, but there is very little free parking anywhere in central Toronto and street parking meter rates are generally higher than most cities, especially outside of the immediate downtown. Even New York City has tonnes of free street parking in midtown Manhattan if you know where to look.
I completely agree that GreenP should move to a market-based pricing structure, but many of their garages are far from capacity as it is. You would probably see less of a change in pricing than you think outside of a handful of garages.
If anything, I think GreenP should be maintaining or lowering garage rates and deleting street parking on arterials in far larger numbers. On-street arterial road parking is such an insane waste of space and is far more common in downtown still than it really should be.
Northern Light
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Peak parking rates for on-street are considerably more expensive elsewhere as seen in this report to the TPA last year:
Source: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2024/pr/bgrd/backgroundfile-249802.pdf
Rates currently in effect are those listed as proposed below (from the above)
To fill the parking garages, and raises rates in them, you need the aboe rates to look more like their counterparts above, we needn't go to the max.
But the top tier rate needs to go at least $10 per hour.
I would consolidate the lowest 2 tiers at $4 per hour, then do tiers of $6, $8 and $10
Every side street within 150m of a major transit route (in the old City and East York) needs to be paid parking (permit holders don't pay twice) .
That allows the removal of parking off streetcar routes while maintaining needed supply.
It will fill the garages, allowing hoursly increases of $2 and daily Max. increases of $8
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We also need to tack permit parking.......... The entry level permit is $23.08 a month, that's .75c per day! I'm ok with cutting people a break for a bulk purchase but how about $3 per day or $90 a month for the entry level permit.
Consolidate the upper tiers (second permit for a household or having on-property parking) at full market value. ~$180 per month.
innsertnamehere
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yes, as I said, peak rates are generally a bit lower. Private garages downtown peak at around $40/day, while in other major cities I have seen it closer to $50-$60/day.
What I do see in Toronto is a much larger sustained area where only paid parking is the option - other cities from my experience have higher rates in the highest demand areas, but rates fall off much faster. Toronto doesn't peak as high but maintains a fairly large "paid parking only" area around the downtown with effectively little to no free or even low cost on-street parking options for a much larger radius. It's very challenging to find free parking for more than an hour or two across most of the old city which isn't the case in most major cities elsewhere.
I don't disagree with your comments generally though. Permit parking rates need to increase, and tied with converting more residential streets in proximity to major commercial streets to paid parking will probably free up enough space to delete commercial parking on a lot of major streets. Toronto really needs to address volumes on it's streetcar routes as it's killing local transit service and that can only be done practically by deleting on-street parking.
What I do see in Toronto is a much larger sustained area where only paid parking is the option - other cities from my experience have higher rates in the highest demand areas, but rates fall off much faster. Toronto doesn't peak as high but maintains a fairly large "paid parking only" area around the downtown with effectively little to no free or even low cost on-street parking options for a much larger radius. It's very challenging to find free parking for more than an hour or two across most of the old city which isn't the case in most major cities elsewhere.
I don't disagree with your comments generally though. Permit parking rates need to increase, and tied with converting more residential streets in proximity to major commercial streets to paid parking will probably free up enough space to delete commercial parking on a lot of major streets. Toronto really needs to address volumes on it's streetcar routes as it's killing local transit service and that can only be done practically by deleting on-street parking.
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We also need to end the on-street parking fee exemption and no parking zone exemption for vehicles displaying a disability card. Now that it’s easier than ever to pay by app, and given how many very expensive cars I see with them, parked in the same area day after day and construction workers with disability cards, it’s become a major problem.
It’s most apparent around hospitals.
Instead, convert more on-street general parking spots to reserved spaces, but still charge for them. Send people who can walk a bit to TPA garages and off-street lots where practicable.
It’s most apparent around hospitals.
Instead, convert more on-street general parking spots to reserved spaces, but still charge for them. Send people who can walk a bit to TPA garages and off-street lots where practicable.
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The problem with Disability Permits is more that they can park anywhere except in No Stopping zones so constantly block traffic lanes. (Added to point that many are not really justified!)
Northern Light
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Some curious notions:
If you're disabled, but can afford a car, and insurance, and gas.......can you not afford parking?
If you're disabled, you're expected to pay to ride the TTC or Wheel Trans......but parking is free?
I think the inconsistency in logic above does indeed dictate a re-think.
I'm willing to entertain paid parking closer to an entrance/exit/elevator; as well as some wiggle room on stopping to let a disabled passenger in/out close to same (where it is safe and reasonable to do so) But I think the free parking thing is need of revisiting.
Toronto1834
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IMO the biggest issue is that there are several areas in the middle tier have very high demand and are way under-priced. $4.25/ hour to park in King/Spadina west of Spadina, Kensington Market, St. Lawrence east of Jarvis, on West Queen West (Bathurst-Dufferin), The Danforth (Broadview-Pape), Queen E in The Beaches, Midtown Yonge, etc. These areas should no doubt be moved to the second highest tier at $5.50/ hour, which itself should be raised to about $6/ hour.
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Agreed (in line with 'fairness" ) but stopping the ability to park even in No Parking areas is really more 'important' as these parked "permit vehicles' slow down Mr Ford's precious 'taxpayers".