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Ontario Budget Cut and Transit Expansion
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CodeMonkey
Active Member
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With the amount of tax dollars there putting into GM, you would think we all deserve at least one free car.
With the amount of tax dollars there putting into GM, you would think we all deserve at least one free car.
fanoftoronto
Active Member
aren't these "long term loans" of some sort?? or am i just badly mistaken.....
unimaginative2
Senior Member
Yes, most of it is in the form of loans. People didn't expect them to be paid back because of GM's poor state but now it seems increasingly likely that we will get most of the money back.
Jonny5
Senior Member
Isn't it actually equity in the company? I recall at the time thinking the amount of money they were putting in valued the company so high that their stake will never be worth what went into it.
GregWTravels
Active Member
Yoshimura
Active Member
Which leads back to the argument: allow competition and see what solutions arrise.
Dan416
Senior Member
Usually I'm very much against private-developed public transit. But in this case, I'm so fed up with our governments, let the private sector try building us some subways. It can't be worse than what we're getting now.
GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
No company in their right mind is going to want to build a subway unless they're getting paid by the government to do so. And 'compete' - how? With what? You'll see some competition for tenders (if they're high enough) but it's not like you can except to see The Wal Mart Metro competing with the ExonMobil Express for your fare. It is never going to happen. There is no profit in it.
Saying that public transit needs 'privatization' and 'competition' is just using empty buzzwords. Public transit also needs 'synergy' and a 'paradigm shift' and 'value-added service'. These are all meaningless words.
Saying that public transit needs 'privatization' and 'competition' is just using empty buzzwords. Public transit also needs 'synergy' and a 'paradigm shift' and 'value-added service'. These are all meaningless words.
leopetr
Active Member
Competition might get us minibuses and maybe some express bus routes with premium fares. It will not get us rapid transit, let alone subways.
Dan416
Senior Member
Honestly at this point, I'm willing to try any idea, even if it ends up being a flop. Swanboats come to mind. Gondolas. Dragons. Teleporters.
DavidH
Senior Member
I seriously think the focus needs to get on getting Metrolinx quasi-independent status in which it can levy road tolls, regional sales taxes, whatever it takes to fund its program without having to go to the government, and with the provincial and municipal politicians having credible deniability when those fees are implemented.
We also need the Board of Trade and other pro-business groups - who recently have been very supportive of transit - to push governments hard to make this happen.
We also need the Board of Trade and other pro-business groups - who recently have been very supportive of transit - to push governments hard to make this happen.
Fresh Start
Banned
Any idea, eh? We can start with that MT Transitway which you've expressed is a waste of funds in several other threads. Once it's functional, the Toronto area public can personally experience the quality of transit enjoyed by Ottawans for years, which hopefully will lead to the TTC adopting similar lines.
MileHigh
Active Member
I agree... it's just pathetic. I've been in this city for 35 years+... and this just seems like more of the same. I'm very disappointed in the McGuinty government’s decision to cut back on these plans.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
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The few individuals that would use it, anyways (and yes, that's coming from someone who live in Mississauga and being reasonably close to the western terminius of the line)
AoD
The few individuals that would use it, anyways (and yes, that's coming from someone who live in Mississauga and being reasonably close to the western terminius of the line)
AoD