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yes, but it would not increase by $180 a year for 30 years, but rather stay at a one time $180 increase phased in over 4 years..
Comparing peak ridership numbers to daily ridership numbers should be comparable. I don't see how Sheppard or this new Scarborough Subway will have different enough trip patterns to make difference.Umm no. They're two completely different subways, serving two different trip patterns. Your logic makes about as much sense as "well Bloor-Danforth has a ridership of this, therefore Eglinton should be about the same".
Toronto Mayor Rob Ford is rejecting out-of-hand a new proposal to pay for transit expansion with property tax hikes, saying he still believes the private sector would be willing to help fund new lines.
“I will not and cannot support the plan. The taxpayers cannot afford it. That’s the bottom line,†Mr. Ford said Wednesday.
“You can’t always go to the taxpayers for everything and that’s what it seems this plan looks for. There is a private sector that can get involved.â€
Comparing peak ridership numbers to daily ridership numbers should be comparable. I don't see how Sheppard or this new Scarborough Subway will have different enough trip patterns to make difference.
I find it weird that the OneCity presentation specifically mentions Centennial College, when that's like the main destination from Transit City that ISN'T served by OneCity.
Denzil Minnan-Wong said:Only about 7B accounted for out of 30B. More than $22 billion unfunded. #onecity #showmethemoney
Denzil Minnan-Wong said:Cost estimates of 30 year 30B #onecity in 2011 dollars assumes no cost increases #topoli #unrealistic
Denzil Minnan-Wong said:Is #onecity true cost north of 100B? Certainly a lot more than 30B.
Denzil Minnan-Wong said:Does anyone believe that #onecity tax will stick at $180? #topoli
Don Peat (SUN) said:"I can guarantee I will not support it" Mayor Rob Ford on #onecity plan to @SunReporterYuen #TOpoli
Don Peat (SUN) said:"I will not and cannot support the plan. The taxpayers can't afford it" Mayor Rob Ford on #onecity to @SunReporterYuen #TOpoli
Don Peat (SUN) said:"I do think this is very much about Glenn De Baeremaeker trying to save his political skin in Scarborough with a subway" Milczyn #TOpoli
Don Peat (SUN) said:"This is about saving Glenn De Tax-maker's political ass" Cllr Doug Ford on #onecity plan #TOpoli
Don Peat (SUN) said:"I call this ad hoc politics" Mayor Rob Ford on #OneCity plan at Molson plant today #TOpoli
TTC tax plan faces opposition
By Don Peat, City Hall Bureau Chief
First posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 01:25 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 02:21 PM EDT
TORONTO - Mayor Rob Ford made it clear Wednesday he is not on board with Karen Stintz’s OneCity transit tax plan.
“I will not and cannot support the plan. The taxpayers can’t afford it. That’s the bottom line,” Ford said in Etobicoke Wednesday. “You can’t always go to the taxpayers for everything and that’s what it seems like this plan looks for. There’s a private sector out there that can get involved.”
Stintz, the TTC chairman and TTC vice-chairman Glenn DeBaeremaeker rolled out the plan at City Hall Wednesday.
The plan was dedicated, dependable and debt-free, Stintz argued.
“We’re calling this plan OneCity, we’ve had many names for many transit plans but what we’ve learned from the last debate was there was a division between what the suburbs felt they were getting in terms of transit and what they believe the downtown core was getting in transit. We think it is very important that we bring the city together as one city.”
The plan would see property tax on the average home go up around $180 a year to raise around $272 million to build transit. The duo also revealed a map of almost $30 billion worth of transit lines that included 72 km of subway lines, 73.5 km of LRT lines and 25.7 km of bus and streetcar lines.
“We’ve heard a lot of talk, it’s time for action right now,” De Baeremaeker said. “We’re taking the unpopular step of saying to our next door neighbours, we believe we’re going to have to phase in a tax over four year...and we’re going to use that to pay for transit.”
Ford and his allies were quick to dismiss the idea.
The mayor said Stintz didn’t discuss the specific details of the plan with him or his office before taking it public.
“Yesterday, she approached the chief of staff and said something is coming out, but nothing to do with the numbers,” Ford said. “Where this came from, I have no idea, but I can guarantee I will not support it.”
Councillor Doug Ford blasted the plan.
“It’s a tax city plan, it’s not a one city plan,” Ford said. “It’s unfunded. I don’t think they’ve run the numbers properly.”
The Etobicoke councillor said the idea hadn’t been fully thought out.
“This is going to be a tax on every business in the city, it is going to be a tax on every renter in the city and it is going to be a tax on every resident in this city,” Ford said.
While De Baeremaeker and Stintz stressed the plan was not about politics, Councillor Peter Milczyn predicted the push for a subway to Scarborough had everything to do with politics.
“I do think this is very much about Glenn De Baeremaeker trying to save his political skin in Scarborough with a subway,” Milczyn said. “Suddenly a subway in Scarborough is what we need. A few months ago, (he was saying) we can’t afford subways, we don’t really need subways. It is an interesting flip-flop.”
The proposed transit plan — which calls for the Bloor-Danforth subway line to be extended to the Scarborough Town Centre and up to Sheppard Ave. — reopens the Sheppard subway debate, Milczyn said.
“And then there are the curious things like the unilateral takeover the Air Rail link to turn it into some kind of TTC line out to the airport,” he said.
Milczyn also argued with this plan, the average property owner would be paying 20% more property tax in five years than they are now due to the transit tax and the regular property tax increases.
“Five years from now you’ll be paying 20% more property tax,” he said.
Councillor Josh Colle — who was one of the key councillors behind the plan — pointed out the main pillar of the transit plan is a subway in Scarborough.
“(It) shows we’re very much thinking of the mayor and council,” Colle said.
Colle said he thinks residents would support the increase because it is directed towards something identifiable.
“If they feel it just goes into nowhere, that’s where people get upset,” he said.
—Files from Jenny Yuen
680 news has a poll up on their website, claiming that taxes will go up by $180 a year for 30 years for this, while in reality it is $45 a year for 4 years.. LOL
http://www.680news.com/news/local/article/377450--ttc-proposes-using-property-taxes-to-fund-30b-onecity-transit-plan