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adma said:
Judging from your posting in this thread, I wouldn't trust you on matters of architectural and urban judgment, not at all...
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Do a quick google search on world's best skylines. Look at where Singapore consistently places and look at Toronto.

I love the Toronto downtown renter crowd. They rent a one bedroom in a second rate city and are all experts on architecture and urban issues. Visit Singapore, Hong Kong, Seoul and other world class cities, then come back and talk.
 
FB:

Actually having grew up in Hong Kong I can tell you most of the buildings going up in that city is the eptiome of banality. Besides, you will have to remind me the density of those cities you have mentioned - and the context behind it.

AoD
 
FutureBuilder said:
Do a quick google search on world's best skylines. Look at where Singapore consistently places and look at Toronto.

I love the Toronto downtown renter crowd. They rent a one bedroom in a second rate city and are all experts on architecture and urban issues. Visit Singapore, Hong Kong, Seoul and other world class cities, then come back and talk.
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A bit dated now, but a great article on Singapore.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.04/gibson.html

I'll trust Mr. Gibson on his insight into the cultural costs and decisions made in city states. There is a success at all costs mentality that certainly can result in progress, maybe it's right way to drag the regions up. Having HK as a focal point certainly opened the door to SZ and GZ. To say that living in either is without it's costs would be a lie. Singapore can't be discussed without it's sister city, it's island and even Indonesia.

Either way, I'm okay with what's going on in Toronto. Not perfect, but the reason so much of it works is because of the foundation that came before it - the great neighborhoods, the fact that it's been an open city and I suspect it will be many of the reasons it will continue. A bit less top down and a bit more bottom up.
 
brianmac said:
A bit dated now, but a great article on Singapore.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1.04/gibson.html

I'll trust Mr. Gibson on his insight into the cultural costs and decisions made in city states. There is a success at all costs mentality that certainly can result in progress, maybe it's right way to drag the regions up. Having HK as a focal point certainly opened the door to SZ and GZ. To say that living in either is without it's costs would be a lie. Singapore can't be discussed without it's sister city, it's island and even Indonesia.

Either way, I'm okay with what's going on in Toronto. Not perfect, but the reason so much of it works is because of the foundation that came before it - the great neighborhoods, the fact that it's been an open city and I suspect it will be many of the reasons it will continue. A bit less top down and a bit more bottom up.
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I am of the opinion Toronto has entered a long decline. Sure our population will increase over the next 20 years, but I am not bullish on the city. Not after what I've seen in Asia.

We settle for mediocrity too much in Toronto. And we simply do not have the political leadership to be anywhere near world class in the future.
 
FutureBuilder said:
I am of the opinion Toronto has entered a long decline. Sure our population will increase over the next 20 years, but I am not bullish on the city. Not after what I've seen in Asia.

We settle for mediocrity too much in Toronto. And we simply do not have the political leadership to be anywhere near world class in the future.
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That's a shame you feel that way. Negativity is a pretty lousy way to grind your way through life. I see North America going through a period of urban renewal that will be a ton of fun to be a part of. Toronto will certainly be one of the center points. There are lessons that HK, SZ, Singapore and other dense urban centers can lend, still I'm pretty fond of our little boom-town. Toronto will become it's own thing.
 
brianmac said:
That's a shame you feel that way. Negativity is a pretty lousy way to grind your way through life. I see North America going through a period of urban renewal that will be a ton of fun to be a part of. Toronto will certainly be one of the center points. There are lessons that HK, SZ, Singapore and other dense urban centers can lend, still I'm pretty fond of our little boom-town. Toronto will become it's own thing.
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Passing judgement on people you do not know is also now way to go through life. I am actually a very optimistic person, but I ground it in reality.

But I do agree that North America is going through a period of urban renewal. Quite a bit in large US cities.
 
FutureBuilder said:
Do a quick google search on world's best skylines. Look at where Singapore consistently places and look at Toronto.

I love the Toronto downtown renter crowd. They rent a one bedroom in a second rate city and are all experts on architecture and urban issues. Visit Singapore, Hong Kong, Seoul and other world class cities, then come back and talk.
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Yes, but consider the thread I linked to, Mr. Expert On Architecture And Urban Issues, and consider how you come across as a tasteless parvenu with McMansion taste who thinks he's oooh so superior because he can afford a nice expensive car and more than a "one bedroom".

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If you were truly "world class", you wouldn't be upholding that kind of architectural sewage in the name of urbanism.
 
adma, for wanna be experts like FutureBuilder, we have the ignore list.
 
adma said:
Yes, but consider the thread I linked to, Mr. Expert On Architecture And Urban Issues, and consider how you come across as a tasteless parvenu with McMansion taste who thinks he's oooh so superior because he can afford a nice expensive car and more than a "one bedroom".

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If you were truly "world class", you wouldn't be upholding that kind of architectural sewage in the name of urbanism.
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That turned out to be quite ugly. The more I look at it the uglier it is. However, it belongs to someone else and they built it with their own money. If they like it, more power to them. It's not my business.
 
FutureBuilder said:
Oh no, I will be on the "ignore list"!

Grow a thicker skin.
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Don't worry; I don't believe in ignore lists. (Though there are discerning past regulars such as Urban Shocker who have in effect put *all* of UT on an "ignore list"...)

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However, it belongs to someone else and they built it with their own money. If they like it, more power to them. It's not my business.
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In which case, we might as well have no set standards for urban design or whatever, it ought to be a free-for-all, and architectural criticism is a waste of time. Uh, yeah. Sounds pretty "world class" to me...
 
FutureBuilder said:
That turned out to be quite ugly. The more I look at it the uglier it is. However, it belongs to someone else and they built it with their own money. If they like it, more power to them. It's not my business.
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It's everyone's business when it faces public space. The facade is the owner's contribution to the appearance of our city.
 
FutureBuilder said:
Singapore is in excellent financial shape compared to Toronto. Or do you think Toronto is in better financial shape?
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Who cares what kind of financial shape it's in. Singapore is effectively a single-party totalitarian state.

Hmm, but that's perhaps what the extreme-right wing Ford supporters want? An extreme right-wing single-party totalitarian state, where you can simply execute the crack users?
 
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