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OLG Toronto/GTA casino proposal (where to put it?)

So, what was going on with Doug Ford supporting a casino in today's debate, while Rob Ford opposed it? What's the strategy there?
 
I've been out of Internet contact for the last 5 days.

I heard that council voted against casino. Listening to City News (waiting for Doug Ford) they mentioned it was defeated by a 4-vote margin. I saw something on Twitter that there was 40 votes against something.

What's the 4-vote margin about?
 
nfitz said:
Ahh ... an interesting spin by City News. I don't think I've actually watched anything they've broadcast in decades ... I simply flicked over for the Doug Ford statement. Is it normal for them to try and spin stuff like Fox?
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I don't think they "spin"....I just don't think their attention to detail is that great. My TV/alarm comes on with CITY in the morning and it is on while I get ready for work....the number of times they broadcast clear errors (often harmless) is quite alarming.
 
TOareaFan said:
I don't think they "spin"....I just don't think their attention to detail is that great. My TV/alarm comes on with CITY in the morning and it is on while I get ready for work....the number of times they broadcast clear errors (often harmless) is quite alarming.
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Ah true ... most "conspiracies" are simply incompetence. I tend to get my news from the Star and Globe - so I tend to assume that all news outlets are of the same calibre (and even then, the number of factual errors the Star publishes is astounding some days).
 
no casino in toronto is not bright. a casino would provide jobs(thousands), tourists money, would improve the value in the neighborhood through added infrastructure, would attract world attention to toronto via world poker tour, and wsop tourneys on tv, bring in many poker pros who would spend money on hotels, etc, bring in millions of dollars for the city, and lower the tax rate of the tax payers. Its time torontonians wake up and do whats best for the city and tax payers, montreal did and so did many cities like nyc and london england. the politicians should have education in business so they know whats best for the city and not rely on half baked reports. Also it would help keep professional sports figures to stay and instead leave for another exciting city unlike toronto. sad day for toronto
 
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johnwood said:
no casino in toronto is not bright. a casino would provide jobs(thousands), tourists money, would improve the value in the neighborhood through added infrastructure, would attract world attention to toronto via world poker tour, and wsop tourneys on tv, bring in many poker pros who would spend money on hotels, etc, bring in millions of dollars for the city, and lower the tax rate of the tax payers. Its time torontonians wake up and do whats best for the city and tax payers, montreal did and so did many cities like nyc and london england. the politicians should have education in business so they know whats best for the city and not rely on half baked reports. Also it would help keep professional sports figures to stay and instead leave for another exciting city unlike toronto. sad day for toronto
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Who needs a casino when celebrities can just stop on Dixon on the way out of town go on an 18-hour crack binge with the mayor as their personal tour guide? Casino is small time. Ford is planning to commercialize crack tourism. There's real money to be made in that, and well-paying jobs, too.
 
I bet that johnwood is being a casino apologist, like the Fords.

He mentioned only the glitter but nothing about gambling problems and perhaps does not care about poor people or those with clinical depression. I bet that he never read this: http://nocasinotoronto.com/casino-facts/ or this: http://nocasinotoronto.com/studies-stats-2/

The World Poker Tour is mainly based on luck (and the magic of television) and does not care about poor people (hence, celebrities, not those with addiction problems nor those with clinical depression) (and takes impressionable teenagers hostage). In fact, there is no warning about gambling problems in that show, while shows that depict violence has a disclaimer. Even OLG's commercials have a small super saying "Know your limits" and has a phone number to the problem gambling hotline. The World Poker Tour does not mind making people sell their homes, and even souls (metaphorically) and vital organs to be financially solvent. Celebrities have so much money to burn (and some are depressed in real life).

Chicago, New York, and Tokyo are all prosperous world class cities. Yet, none of those cities have a casino within their municipal boundaries (and in Tokyo's case, none in the entire country).

I took a look at the casino photos (not advertising promos, but actual photos of the actual state of people gambling). Most look depressed and the gaming rooms lack windows or clocks, adding to the depression.

I often use a Marxist approach when analyzing casinos. I believe that casinos serve as a way for the rich to exploit the poor's naïveté. The house always win. Yes, there may be some economic benefits, but the socioeconomic costs (depression, suicide, increased crime, loss of meaningful employment, increased traffic congestion, etc.) greatly exceed that of the economic benefits. A short-term gain for a long-term loss.

It is good to see both sides of the coin.

It is a sad day for Toronto's casino apologists, but a great day for the progressives of Toronto.
 
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Johnny Au said:
I bet that johnwood is being a casino apologist, like the Fords.

He mentioned only the glitter but nothing about gambling problems and perhaps does not care about poor people or those with clinical depression. I bet that he never read this: http://nocasinotoronto.com/casino-facts/ or this: http://nocasinotoronto.com/studies-stats-2/

The World Poker Tour is mainly based on luck (and the magic of television) and does not care about poor people (hence, celebrities, not those with addiction problems nor those with clinical depression) (and takes impressionable teenagers hostage). In fact, there is no warning about gambling problems in that show, while shows that depict violence has a disclaimer. Even OLG's commercials have a small super saying "Know your limits" and has a phone number to the problem gambling hotline. The World Poker Tour does not mind making people sell their homes, and even souls (metaphorically) and vital organs to be financially solvent. Celebrities have so much money to burn (and some are depressed in real life).

Chicago, New York, and Tokyo are all prosperous world class cities. Yet, none of those cities have a casino within their municipal boundaries (and in Tokyo's case, none in the entire country).

I took a look at the casino photos (not advertising promos, but actual photos of the actual state of people gambling). Most look depressed and the gaming rooms lack windows or clocks, adding to the depression.

I often use a Marxist approach when analyzing casinos. I believe that casinos serve as a way for the rich to exploit the poor's naïveté. The house always win. Yes, there may be some economic benefits, but the socioeconomic costs (depression, suicide, increased crime, loss of meaningful employment, increased traffic congestion, etc.) greatly exceed that of the economic benefits. A short-term gain for a long-term loss.

It is good to see both sides of the coin.

It is a sad day for Toronto's casino apologists, but a great day for the progressives of Toronto.
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New york does have a casino.
 
Johnny Au said:
I bet that johnwood is being a casino apologist, like the Fords.

He mentioned only the glitter but nothing about gambling problems and perhaps does not care about poor people or those with clinical depression. I bet that he never read this: http://nocasinotoronto.com/casino-facts/ or this: http://nocasinotoronto.com/studies-stats-2/

The World Poker Tour is mainly based on luck (and the magic of television) and does not care about poor people (hence, celebrities, not those with addiction problems nor those with clinical depression) (and takes impressionable teenagers hostage). In fact, there is no warning about gambling problems in that show, while shows that depict violence has a disclaimer. Even OLG's commercials have a small super saying "Know your limits" and has a phone number to the problem gambling hotline. The World Poker Tour does not mind making people sell their homes, and even souls (metaphorically) and vital organs to be financially solvent. Celebrities have so much money to burn (and some are depressed in real life).

Chicago, New York, and Tokyo are all prosperous world class cities. Yet, none of those cities have a casino within their municipal boundaries (and in Tokyo's case, none in the entire country).

I took a look at the casino photos (not advertising promos, but actual photos of the actual state of people gambling). Most look depressed and the gaming rooms lack windows or clocks, adding to the depression.

I often use a Marxist approach when analyzing casinos. I believe that casinos serve as a way for the rich to exploit the poor's naïveté. The house always win. Yes, there may be some economic benefits, but the socioeconomic costs (depression, suicide, increased crime, loss of meaningful employment, increased traffic congestion, etc.) greatly exceed that of the economic benefits. A short-term gain for a long-term loss.

It is good to see both sides of the coin.

It is a sad day for Toronto's casino apologists, but a great day for the progressives of Toronto.
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The super smart people against the casino claim it will lead to problem gambling, addiction, prostitution and all sorts of other wonderful things. What they fail to realize is if it goes up in Markham or Vaughan (and the casino WILL go up somewhere), the problem gamblers will simply have to drive 15 minutes further. And at the same time the revenue will go to the 905 municipality that is hosting it.

Do you super smart downtown "elites" not think the "naive poor" will not make it to Markham?

Singapore, which unlike Toronto is a world class city, has two casinos (with excellent architecture I may add), and they seem to be just fine.
 
Have you been to Singapore? They give you a list of rules when you go there. Very strict rules. Breaking them can result in whipping, imprisonment or worse. Yeah, let's aspire to be like Singapore.
 
PinkLucy said:
Have you been to Singapore? They give you a list of rules when you go there. Very strict rules. Breaking them can result in whipping, imprisonment or worse. Yeah, let's aspire to be like Singapore.
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...and don't bother chewing gum there. They will break your jaw literally (as in caning your jaw such that your teeth falls out).
 
PinkLucy said:
Have you been to Singapore? They give you a list of rules when you go there. Very strict rules. Breaking them can result in whipping, imprisonment or worse. Yeah, let's aspire to be like Singapore.
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I have been all over Asia. I know Singapore is booming and Toronto is neck deep in debt. I know Singapore has ridiculously low taxes, better transit, a better airport, safer streets, a larger financial sector (and I could go on and on).

I also know that in Ontario the gov't controls more of your lives than the Singaporean gov't. People are taxed to death in Toronto.

Oh and I also know (Transparency International) says Singapore has less corruption and another study says it's either the 1st or 2nd freest economy in the world.

And like I said, they have not 1, but TWO, casinos.
 
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