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Officer Down (Sgt. Ryan Russell)

Voltz said:
... If the media coverage seems excessive then don't watch it, and they are not exploiting the murder of this officer to try and do a favor for the police and boost the public's support of them.
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This is so blindingly obvious that it's perhaps no surprise that few people see it! The media coverage may be "overblown" by now, but I am not here to tell the media what they should cover, or not. That's their decision, and in their very competitive business, they are well aware that if people don't want to listen / read, they will be tuned out.

As for the G20 coverage, I somehow doubt that it will go away. It will continue, as it should. Again, I'm not sure how anyone would think otherwise.
 
Why do I have the feeling this whole spectacle is more about PR and politics than anything else? I've stopped watching the news for the last few days.
 
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Torontovibe said:
Why do I have the feeling this whole spectacle is more about PR and politics than anything else? I've stopped watching the news for the last few days.
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Because you are wrong, it was not a spectacle or PR exercise, not even close to one, such an attitude is blatantly ignorant and insulting to the family and the thousands of people such as myself who spent the entire day down there on their own time.

No one forced the media to spend as much time covering this as they did.
 
^^ That's right, I'm not talking facts and figures here. (although the cops seem to be) I called it a "spectacle" because that's what the news have called it. Why does the chief have to keep pointing out it's the biggest this and that? We are talking about someone losing their life, not CNE attendance.

Why is what I said insulting to the family? I said nothing relating to the family. Maybe I just don't know how these things operate but my gut feeling is there is more than meets the eye, going on here. I can't help but think the police are using this to their own advantage. (think union) Sure, call me a cynic (I am) but I just don't get it. I'm allowed to have my own personal gut feelings, and question things, aren't I?

I'm not anti-police or anything and I certainly think the government should support the family in a generous way.

I still don't understand how that police officer got in front of the truck? Was that reported on the news?
 
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As others have said, media coverage is growing for all sorts events. Since when have we had dozens of televised debates for the mayoral race? Full length live broadcasting of the Santa Claus parade? Why is it that piddly 5 cm snowfalls receive headlines such as "City braces for winter wallop?"

The funeral itself was appropriate as the police willingly put their lives on the line every day to safeguard the citizens of Toronto. Dozens of ordinary people are no doubt alive today thanks to the efforts of the police in preventing random and organized acts of violence. It's anyone's guess who the next Jane Creba WASN'T, but since it could be any one of us, I think we all owe the police a lot of respect.

The media coverage was of course excessive and unnecessary, but in all honesty that is not unique to this event. Find something better to complain about!
 
Just saw this interesting story in the Sun:

http://www.torontosun.com/news/colu...ts/joe_warmington/2011/01/19/pf-16953671.html

Apparently a lone protester showed up with sign that said “Soldier’s Die, Electricians Die and People Die” on one side and “No Police State” on the other.

Perhaps a bit on the tasteless side but we do live in a democracy where free speech is enshrined to protect speech that some might find offensive. What is NOT ACCEPTABLE in a free society is what happened to this man. The Police ARRESTED HIM for carrying this sign. During the arrest the cops pushed his face into the snow and repeatedly yelled at him to "stop resisting arrest" even though he was not resiting (this is standard operating procedure for cops - they will allege that someone was "resisting arrest" so as to give them license to break their arms or kick in their faces).:mad:

The actions of the cops were clearly illegal. They don't get to arrest someone simply because they are carrying a sign that they find offensive. The arresting officer should, of course, be fired but this will never happen. :mad:

By arresting a man holding a sign "NO POLICE STATE" the cops proved the point that we are in fact living in a police state. :mad:
 
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cry me a river ^^^


People who say this is a police state and that there is corruption make me puke and it is clear you have not left Canada in your life.

Of course, arresting him was silly, however considering the situation it was completely inappropriate behaviour by the protester.
 
lordmandeep said:
cry me a river ^^^


People who say this is a police state and that there is corruption make me puke and it is clear you have not left Canada in your life.
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What are you suggesting that every country outside of Canada is a police state? I've been to plenty of countries outside of Canada but never to a police state. As far as police states go Canada is not yet on the level of a China or North Korea, but when cops can go around arresting people for no reason at all and subject them to beatings and degrading treatment (as happened many times during the G20) and not be held accountable then lets face it. We are living in a police state.
 
A close family friend of our is a Toronto cop and he told me some rather messed up stories about what was actually going on Sunday. He says the police went to far, but he claims that many protesters were out to cause trouble on Sunday.

I think imo the public really was not angry about the police actions at Queens park on Saturday and many would have preferred the police acted more harshly. However many were sort of disgusted of what happened on Sunday, that was way over the top.

Well my opinion is of the G20 is both the police, protesters and the general public acted like complete idiots that weekend.

A riot talks place the day before, the city is locked down and people come downtown into the middle of the mayhem to sight-see. Then find themselves in a tense situation and get arrested. The police may have had no right to arrest them, but that was just pure stupidity by many that day.

That weekend had some very interesting and disturbing sights and sounds.

-The battle of Queens Park was like a Lord of The Rings movie with police horses charging in, that was surreal.
-In front of the detention centre, undercover police officers throw this girl into a moving green minivan. I was like wow, was she going to shoot somebody lol...
- When the police fired rubber pellets in front of the detention centre early Sunday Morning. I remember many going "show those rioters." Many member of the public, were rather pissed about the riots and wanted " some heads to get smashed in".


-However things took a complete unacceptable turn at Queen and Spadina late Sunday night. That was just awful what happened.
 
Peepers said:
Just saw this interesting story in the Sun:

http://www.torontosun.com/news/colu...ts/joe_warmington/2011/01/19/pf-16953671.html

Apparently a lone protester showed up with sign that said “Soldier’s Die, Electricians Die and People Die†on one side and “No Police State†on the other.

Perhaps a bit on the tasteless side but we do live in a democracy where free speech is enshrined to protect speech that some might find offensive. What is NOT ACCEPTABLE in a free society is what happened to this man. The Police ARRESTED HIM for carrying this sign. During the arrest the cops pushed his face into the snow and repeatedly yelled at him to "stop resisting arrest" even though he was not resiting (this is standard operating procedure for cops - they will allege that someone was "resisting arrest" so as to give them license to break their arms or kick in their faces).:mad:

The actions of the cops were clearly illegal. They don't get to arrest someone simply because they are carrying a sign that they find offensive. The arresting officer should, of course, be fired but this will never happen. :mad:

By arresting a man holding a sign "NO POLICE STATE" the cops proved the point that we are in fact living in a police state. :mad:
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I hope he sues them.
 
Imo all this outrage over a police funeral, has really showed our society is becoming incredibly stupid.

We for no reason become fixated on such pointless issues.

What is it to you that they have a big funeral and when is Canada some socialist country, where everyone deserves an equal funeral. :cool:

Seriously guys, stop eating the brownies and come back to reality and focus on some real issues like transit, crime, homelessness and such.
 
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As far as police states go Canada is not yet on the level of a China or North Korea, but when cops can go around arresting people for no reason at all and subject them to beatings and degrading treatment (as happened many times during the G20) and not be held accountable then lets face it. We are living in a police state.
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Apparently China isn't quite the police state these days. There have been incidents in China when the police do take people away or carry out brutality in public places, bystanders have formed mobs to fight against the police because they knew what they saw was a form of injustice. One example of such an incident is one that happened in Changchun. For a lot of people in China today, their level of respect for the police is zero.

This is one reason I'm glad to be Canadian. At least here we can have a decent level of respect for our police.
 
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