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zang said:
Don't perpetuate harmful and racist stereotypes. First, "wet markets" are not what you think they are. Wet markets as defined by asian countries themselves sell meat and produce. Dry markets sell household goods, etc. This idea that they are all sketchy black-markets where you can buy the live exotic animal of your choosing is wrong.

"Wet markets" are nearly indistinguishable from the St. Lawrence Market or the Ontario Food Terminal. Most sell pre-slaughtered meats and live seafood (again, alongside fruit and veg). Wet markets are generally *NOT* selling live animal markets. Live animal markets are usually separate entities.
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Well put!
 
zang said:
Don't perpetuate harmful and racist stereotypes. First, "wet markets" are not what you think they are. Wet markets as defined by asian countries themselves sell meat and produce. Dry markets sell household goods, etc. This idea that they are all sketchy black-markets where you can buy the live exotic animal of your choosing is wrong.

"Wet markets" are nearly indistinguishable from the St. Lawrence Market or the Ontario Food Terminal. Most sell pre-slaughtered meats and live seafood (again, alongside fruit and veg). Wet markets are generally *NOT* live animal markets. Live animal markets are usually separate entities.

"Although most wet markets don’t sell live wild animals, the terms 'wet market' and 'wildlife market' are often conflated, according to Aron White, a China specialist at the Environmental Investigation Agency, a London-based nonprofit," adds National Geographic.
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Wet markets are notorious for being unsanitary. St. Lawrence Market or the Ontario Food Terminal and other markets in Canada, have strict sanitary rules to follow, and are routinely inspected by the health department.

 
gabe said:
Wet markets are notorious for being unsanitary. St. Lawrence Market or the Ontario Food Terminal and other markets in Canada, have strict sanitary rules to follow, and are routinely inspected by the health department.

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I have been in several wet markets in China and other parts of Asia. I am not a health inspector but they seemed to be pretty well kept to me (certainly as sanitary as many of the Asian restaurant kitchens I saw, and ate from - with no ill effects! ) The health regulations here may be stricter but .....
 
gabe said:
Wet markets are notorious for being unsanitary. St. Lawrence Market or the Ontario Food Terminal and other markets in Canada, have strict sanitary rules to follow, and are routinely inspected by the health department.

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There are wet markets with strict sanitary rules in Singapore and Hong Kong. The issue isn't wet market per se - but rules around sanitation and admissible products (e.g. no "wildlife").

AoD
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
There are wet markets with strict sanitary rules in Singapore and Hong Kong. The issue isn't wet market per se - but rules around sanitation and admissible products (e.g. no "wildlife").

AoD
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Yes and there is 'wildlife" and 'wildlife" as many (wild) animals that we might not think of as food are actually 'farmed'.
 
gabe said:
Wet markets are notorious for being unsanitary. St. Lawrence Market or the Ontario Food Terminal and other markets in Canada, have strict sanitary rules to follow, and are routinely inspected by the health department.
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If your argument revolves around a YouTube video, it's probably not an argument.

China does have food safety laws, strict rules for hygiene, and health inspections. It's a national priority, in fact.

Also, we're talking about food safety by our standards in North America.

In the US, it's not safe to sell raw milk soft cheeses (In France it is).
It's illegal to sell raw milk for human consumption here (but fine in Ireland).
In Japan, you can eat raw chicken sashimi.
Hell, you buy eggs in the UK, they're still covered in chicken poop and you get to store them at room temperature.
Here, we can sell meat that's been covered in fungus and bacteria, months after it's been slaughtered and it's considered a luxury (dry-aged meats).


One country's standard is not necessarily right, not necessarily the safest, not necessarily the *only way*.
 
Don't forget about balut (i.e., embryos of poultry birds (most often ducklings) served in their own eggshells):

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They're considered "hazardous foods" by Health Canada (as they are often sold raw and have harmful bacteria including Salmonella enteritidis in them) but are legally sold in Asian grocery stores across the country (it's a delicacy in South China, Cambodia, Vietnam, and the Philippines). Some find it repulsive (such as myself).

Some countries ban the production, sale, and consumption of balut for moral and health reasons.
 
Good news on the vaccine front.

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zang said:
Second, we have ridiculous "cultural beliefs" here too. Just about every pharmacy has a "natural health" section selling St. Johns Wort, Echinacea, and copper bracelets. There are acupuncture and "wellness" clinics. There's anti-vax and anti-mask garbage. There's black salve and shark cartilage to treat cancer.

"Complimentary and Alternative Medicine" is a $9B+ a year market here in Canada. Pretty much all of that is new age hooey and has led to numerous stupid deaths in the name of ignoring good and proper science. C&AM is also cultural. It's been growing in *western* society for more than half a century now. It's not just something that happens in "other cultures"; the stupid runs equally throughout humankind. Seemingly a lot in caucasian suburbanites.



It sure won't help; but people here are doing equally stupid things like taking MMS (literally drinking bleach) to avoid it, too.

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Don't forget about alt-right YouTube clones BitChute and Rumble peddling "new age" cures for COVID-19 and distrust of vaccination and masks.

Chinese-language far-right media, such as Epoch Times and New Tang Dynasty Television, kept claiming that certain herbs and body parts of certain critically endangered animals can cure COVID-19, even if diluted to 1ppb. Yes, Epoch Times has many English-language editions that promote magical snake oil from critically endangered snakes.

It's like trusting back-alley "surgeons" who never stepped foot in medical school and hold extreme reactionary views to perform surgery using outdated equipment over going to a state-of-the-art hospital for surgery by qualified surgeons who hold progressive views.
 
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Just finished reading this fascinating (and enraging) article in Wired about the bad science behind the WHO and CDC's recommendations on COVID transmission: https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/

Made me think back to how when I got my vaccine last week, I spent 45 minutes in line in a poorly-ventilated school hallway sharing air that dozens, maybe even hundreds of people had just been breathing. We all dutifully stood two metres apart, but no doors or windows were open, no HEPA air purifiers were running, nobody was monitoring the level of CO2, and people in line in front of me were talking loudly. It was a superspreader event waiting to happen, and totally avoidable.
 
smably said:
Just finished reading this fascinating (and enraging) article in Wired about the bad science behind the WHO and CDC's recommendations on COVID transmission: https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/

Made me think back to how when I got my vaccine last week, I spent 45 minutes in line in a poorly-ventilated school hallway sharing air that dozens, maybe even hundreds of people had just been breathing. We all dutifully stood two metres apart, but no doors or windows were open, no HEPA air purifiers were running, nobody was monitoring the level of CO2, and people in line in front of me were talking loudly. It was a superspreader event waiting to happen, and totally avoidable.
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Yep, people still have trouble accepting the fact that it is airborne and good ventilation matters.

AoD
 
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