@Allandale25
@Charles
This is exactly what I mean about Steve being a troll. The City of Ottawa/OC Transpo saying intervals will be 8 mins or less after Stage 2 from 15 min intervals (or thereabouts) today, is apparently not a reliable source.
Why even bother? The troll will simply regurgitate his nonsense. This has all been discussed before. Few weeks/months hence, we'll be regurgitating the same points.
There's a lot of things they could do. But the onus is on them to tell current residents what they WILL do. It's not on us to assume what they MIGHT do. Based on what they have told us, this proposal is no way, shape or form a replacement or even a supplement to Stage 2 Trillium.
What you are arguing is that we should give Moose the benefit of the doubt when their plan has no real detail, and what we know of it is promising worse service than Stage 2. We are supposed to do this on some unspecified hope that they might be able to deliver better service, and that should motivate us to choose Moose over a plan that is funded by three levels of government and mere months away from beginning construction and out on tender already. Explain why any voter or politician should support that.
The passing tracks added 5 years ago were supposed to increase frequencies to 8 minutes. Instead, we're now at a steady 12 minute frequency. It's unlikely that 8 minutes will be attainable without more double tracking.
Sure. MOOSE could and should provide more information. If they had provided all the information we all needed, this thread might not be 36 pages long and the one in the other forum wouldn't be over 60 pages long.
Considering their lack of funding, their proposal is quite detailed. Once they receive their funding, I'm sure we'll see more details. (And we'll have to considering their plan requires "public" approval (via the government))
Stop with the "both sides" bullshit.nnThis is not one of those situations.
If I show up at your house and demand access, presumably you will want to know what my plans are once I get in. Would you not want specifics? Would you let me on a mere assumption of what I plan to do at some point in the future?
Moose wants access to the Trillium Line corridor. It's up to them to prove to Ottawa residents, that there is a benefit for us, and that we should support OC Transpo giving them access to a publicly owned asset.
And in what way is it not? As you mentioned later, I clearly need evidence that MOOSE can achieve 15 minute intervals to prove something to you, but I can't. But at the same time, with the currently available information, you can't definitively prove that the opposite will necessarily be true once MOOSE goes to the federal government for approval.
As an Ottawa taxpayer, I don't give a shit about what happens outside the city's jurisdiction. I expect the city's politicians, bureaucracy and infrastructure to prioritize me, the taxpaying resident, above all else.
So how the Trillium Line (a city owned asset) is utilized should first and foremost be to the benefit of Ottawa residents.
This is why we can't have nice things. With a sizable portion of the population of the NCR living across a provincial border, it kind of makes
good (or
better) interpovincial transit difficult. Were you also against amalgamation?
Sure, but at this point they haven't. That's fine. To gain support they'll absolutely have to in the future. But you can't start making claims that they'll be a detriment to public transit when they're still in a planning phase and haven't published the necessary information to make that kind of judgement.
As
@Charles showed, the current expectation is hourly service. That is substantially worse that today's service. And exponentially worse than Stage 2. Not to mention Stage 2 providing service to the airport which Moose cannot do.
Yes it does. As
@Charles has detailed you'll get hourly service if Moose displaces Trillium. Anything above that requires us to make assumptions. Are you an insider at Moose that knows what future plans are? If not, why should anybody believe that Moose would be capable of higher service than what has been publicly announced?
If you have sources that Moose can even come close to 15 min intervals provided today, please post them. If not, explain why we should assume Moose can do better than what they have submitted to the authorities.
If you look at the areas that would actually receive hourly service, it's actually substantially better than today since they currently receive no service... Assuming all three lines ran hourly and the two that use the Trillium Line corridor are interlined and evenly spaced out (time-wise), you'd be looking at a frequency of 30 minutes. Increasing that to match today's service levels (by using shuttles that only run the length of the Trillium Line) wouldn't require that many more trains.
The airport can be run entirely separate to the rest of the system. As far as we know now, that's actually the current plan.
Yes, I'm making assumptions. But so are you. I'm basing my assumptions on the fact that it would be kind of suicidal for them to waltz into parliament and say "yeah we're turning 12 minute frequencies to 30 minute frequencies". All I can tell (from what I've read) is that you're basing your assumptions on trying to find a reason a reason to dislike MOOSE.
And as I was writing this, Mr. Potvin has added some of the information we needed.
