Montréal Transit Developments

[Mind_the_gap]

^ I really hope I didn’t get @mashdash in trouble with my post… This was posted afterwards:

So I got word that the REM is a bit upset with the signs I’ve added. They’re saying it “affects their reputation,” which is honestly very strange.

I understand being bothered by those paper signs someone put up, but mine are literally just mimicking the ARTM signage exactly, in places where people can see them. They can also be easily removed if the REM really wanted to, although I’m not sure why they’d want to. People are genuinely lost with the confusing hallways, so having some signage of some kind is way better than nothing.

Additionally, from what I heard, because they opened the REM before the 30 day warning, the ARTM wasn’t ready to install signage. So what’s the issue with my signs? They’re easy to remove if they wanted, and should be replaced with real signs, mine are meant to be temporary. And in the meantime, they follow the ARTM standard, and give “business” to the REM essentially.

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Then this reply by @Enalung:

I can definitely see a few issues with your signage. Somebody somewhere failed to consider that signage would be needed. Since you’ve been adding signage, the ARTM and CDPQ-I look bad for their lack of forethought. Somebody somewhere probably got a stern talking to and now feels humiliated. There’s also the fact that you plastered them on walls that belong to private entities.

Let’s not forget the fact that with a few hours work and very little material, you did a job that probably would have costed tens of thousands of dollars with planning, graphic design, consulting fees, the salary of the guy applying the sticker, the contractor watching the guy applying the sticker, the safety and security officer, and the guy standing there doing nothing, plus overtime pay because it has to happen at night while the network is closed for maintenance.

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[nfitz]

^ I really hope I didn’t get @mashdash in trouble with my post.

I'd think it wouldn't be anything more complex than it being seen as vandalism. And that effort is necessary to go around all the stations and find/remove them all.

Presumably there's cameras there's they'll use to identify the person behind it and ban them or something.

 

[Mind_the_gap]

^ His only crime is making the ARTM/CDPQ-I look bad by their inaction..

Technically vandalism yes, but I’m sure he’d be happy to help them sort out the signage mess, and he’s placed everything correctly, and well qualified.

Again, a beautiful soul at work!

 

[turini2]

Today, I just wanted to showcase a truly beautiful soul. @mashdash is a graphic designer who has been making up for the ARTM’s and REM’s shortcomings, by installing official-looking signage himself, on his own dime (~ $30).

Gare Centrale (vicinity):

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Panama:

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The stash of high-quality decals:

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They’re so official looking that they haven’t been removed… What a Saint!!

This is amazing - I love guerrilla urbanism!

 

[NoahB]

After bumpy first week, your REM questions answered

A spokesperson addresses concerns about the new network including breakdowns, noise and frequency of service.

montrealgazette.com

Montreal Gazette had the REM's spokesperson answer some readers' questions. On Griffintown Station, they said a construction plan for it will be released by the end of this year.

Montreal Gazette also wrote that unnamed (in the article at least) planners told them the station should open by end of 2024.

 

[cplchanb]

careful! now that its in the spotlight some eagle eyed city employee may notice and flag it for removal.

 

[turini2]

Montreal Gazette - 10 August

Planners said recently they anticipate the station being put into service by the end of next year.

La Presse - 10 August

La future station du Réseau express métropolitain (REM) Griffintown–Bernard-Landry sera construite d’ici 2027, a indiqué mercredi CDPQ Infra, qui évoquait jusqu’à maintenant une échéance en 2024.

Who to believe?

 

[p_xavier]

Montreal Gazette - 10 August


La Presse - 10 August


Who to believe?

La Presse.

Also from La Presse today, Legault is looking to have a new agency to fast track transit projects, might be the end of the ARTM. He's pretty explicit in how he can't fathom the replacement of the REM de l'Est with the 36G$ proposal.

 

[SashaLemon]

Reeeaaaaly hoping this "new agency" just hands this back to the CDPQ so the thing actually gets built.

 

[p_xavier]

Reeeaaaaly hoping this "new agency" just hands this back to the CDPQ so the thing actually gets built.

Probably will be. Legault is pretty blunt about it.

 

[Coolstar]

Speaking of the REM de l'Est, it looks like the line won't even be automated.

REM de l’Est à 36 milliards | L’ARTM songe à abandonner les trains automatisés pour réduire les coûts

L’Autorité régionale de transport métropolitain (ARTM) envisage d’abandonner l’automatisation des trains préconisée par CDPQ Infra pour diminuer l’imposante facture de 36 milliards de la plus récente mouture du REM de l’Est, rebaptisé Projet structurant de l’Est (PSE) depuis le retrait de la...

www.lapresse.ca

 

[SashaLemon]

Ah yes, financial gains made by... *checks notes* needing drivers?

 

[T3G]

Financial gains like not having to build grade separations, which cost a lot of money.

What's cheaper? 5 km of trackage in the roadway, or 5 km of elevated guideway?

 

[ARG1]

Financial gains like not having to build grade separations, which cost a lot of money.

What's cheaper? 5 km of trackage in the roadway, or 5 km of elevated guideway?

... not having to build grade separations?

They literally announced that the whole line will be buried, ie, it is fully grade separated. Where do you think that $36B price tag came from?

 

[futurebound]

It also seems silly to suggest that not grade separating would reduce costs. In the long run, you end up spending more on labour costs anyways.