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Metrolinx: Presto Fare Card

muller877

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MiWay has a 46% farebox recovery ratio, while Hamilton (Street Railway) has a 45% farebox recovery ratio. The TTC has 72.8%. That's 72.8% paid by the TTC user. The rest is subsidy. (New York City is at 47%, Montreal is at 46%.) If the TTC had a higher subsidy (a lower FRR), maybe there would be a fare integration.
If you look at the recovery ratios of other transit authorities there is a mix of what is included and what is not. But generally maintenance is included. Except the TTC. There is always a SOGR that comes from the capital fund which should be included as a subsidy in the farebox recovery ratio. TTC is way overstated.
 

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If you look at the recovery ratios of other transit authorities there is a mix of what is included and what is not. But generally maintenance is included. Except the TTC. There is always a SOGR that comes from the capital fund which should be included as a subsidy in the farebox recovery ratio. TTC is way overstated.
Yep, since TTC finds it easier to get capital funds, they've become quite adept at packaging things like every-day escalator maintenance into bundles (say 30 stations at a time) which can be tendered out as a capital item.
 

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If you look at the recovery ratios of other transit authorities there is a mix of what is included and what is not. But generally maintenance is included. Except the TTC. There is always a SOGR that comes from the capital fund which should be included as a subsidy in the farebox recovery ratio. TTC is way overstated.
No one has ever been able to confirm to me how the interest on borrowing is handled for all other organisations. The TTC conveniently does not borrow money at all, it gets other organisations to borrow money and pay all the interest for them (and so do other Ontario transit agencies) so it doesn't show up on their financial statements. The MTA frequently goes to market itself to borrow, and expenses those interest payments. Their financial statements clearly state they account for the debt interest in their calculated farebox recovery ratio and their annual interest payments are greater than the entire TTC budget. Without those they would be 70+% recovery ratio.
 

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I honestly don't get the point of this, it doesn't work for anybody, and it surprises me how little people complain that TTC is the only GTA operator that doesn't have fare integration, if MiWay and Hamilton managed to fare integrate I seriously want to hear the excuses the TTC has in store.
Fare integration across GTA agencies is incredibly seamless. MiWay even accepts DRT transfers despite being literally across Toronto. Brampton ZUM also accepts all forms of YRT media as it crosses into Woodbridge to access VMC. I live near the border of York and Toronto so I have heard constant complaints for awhile about the lack of fare integration, especially York U students as they got hit the hardest when GO stopped going into the university. Metrolinx said that fare integration would happen in 2025, if I recall correctly. I wish I knew why it takes 6 years to change bus fares. Through my reading, The TTC seems to be the only Canadian agency with this weird fare rule. Back on topic with Presto, YRT is planning a "refresh" of Presto devices and software in 2020. Hopefully this means Presto was designed like Oyster which had the ability to be continuously upgraded.
 

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Check it out guys. I exceeded the 2 hours but it still counted as a transfer :p

8/23/2019 5:52:55 PM1014Toronto Transit CommissionTransferRegular$0.00$0.00
8/23/2019 5:43:23 PM1013Toronto Transit CommissionTransferRegular$0.00$0.00
8/23/2019 5:37:34 PM1012Toronto Transit CommissionTransferRegular$0.00$0.00
8/23/2019 3:52:18 PM1011Toronto Transit CommissionFare PaymentRegular$3.10$10.20
 

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Check it out guys. I exceeded the 2 hours but it still counted as a transfer :p

8/23/2019 5:52:55 PM1014Toronto Transit CommissionTransferRegular$0.00$0.00
8/23/2019 5:43:23 PM1013Toronto Transit CommissionTransferRegular$0.00$0.00
8/23/2019 5:37:34 PM1012Toronto Transit CommissionTransferRegular$0.00$0.00
8/23/2019 3:52:18 PM1011Toronto Transit CommissionFare PaymentRegular$3.10$10.20
I bet there would have been (the usual) outrage here if you had been charged with cries for 'give us a minute or two leeway"! Now I await a flood of people testing the system to see if the 'free time' is 50 seconds, a minute, 2 minutes .....
 

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I bet there would have been (the usual) outrage here if you had been charged with cries for 'give us a minute or two leeway"! Now I await a flood of people testing the system to see if the 'free time' is 50 seconds, a minute, 2 minutes .....
I usually interpret the leeway as being within the minute. For example, if the initial fare payment were at 1:00:01 PM, then re-entering the system at 3:00:59 PM counts as a transfer, but if the initial fare payment were at 1:00:59 PM, then if one were to re-enter the system at 3:01:00 PM, then it is considered a new fare payment.
 

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I seem to have been given a free trip to Pearson last week. My account shows my $20 reload at Sherbourne station the day of my flight, but no record of my TTC fare or my UP Express fare. Both are shown on the return trip though.
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I bet there would have been (the usual) outrage here if you had been charged with cries for 'give us a minute or two leeway"! Now I await a flood of people testing the system to see if the 'free time' is 50 seconds, a minute, 2 minutes .....
I think there is a possibility that the two readers don't have synced clocks. One could be off by a minute. Tapping those two readers in reverse might get someone charged at 1'59"
 

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Christmas is coming. Is there or will there be a PRESTO Gift Card? While a new PRESTO would cost $6, it still needs to be loaded ($10?). If given as a gift, it would still need to be set up with age appropriate identification after it is given as a gift, and activated. The 30 day term to do something is a pain, as some people may not be around to do anything.

Or just forget about a Presto Gift Card?
 

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The leaves are already falling and they have winter gear in stores. So just wondering...
I'm guessing you are one those people who is at home watching CP24 and laughing at the shlubs like me in a panic at the mall on Christmas Eve.
 

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I'm guessing you are one those people who is at home watching CP24 and laughing at the shlubs like me in a panic at the mall on Christmas Eve.
Actually, I do not buy the winter goods now. They are only put up with a "regular price". As it season gets closer, the "regular prices" drop down for a "sale price".

Not possible with PRESTO however. Though they did have times where the PRESTO card was "free", except for the loading of a fare deposit.

Back in 2018, Scotiabank Arena gave out 20,000 "free" PRESTO" cards. See link.

Scotiabank Arena is giving away the first 10,000 free PRESTO cards this week. The plan is to hand out free, pre-loaded PRESTO cards to Leafs and Raptors Home Openers, at select TTC and GO stations.
 

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