Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

[EastYorkTTCFan]

You have to wonder how much of an impact the EU free trade deal is going to have on LRT vehicle cost from Euro suppliers and/or allow Bombardier to use there Euro factories for Canadian procurement.

More likely it will mean they can import more parts from their european divisions.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

the link is subscriber only. Can you provide a summary? Though the title is already itself a bombshell...

In the future, if you open the link in private browsing/incognito mode you can gain access to the content and get past the paywall.

 

[amnesiajune]

You have to wonder how much of an impact the EU free trade deal is going to have on LRT vehicle cost from Euro suppliers and/or allow Bombardier to use there Euro factories for Canadian procurement.

It's not ratified yet, and once it's ratified it'll take up to seven years for the various parts of the agreement to take effect. So it won't make much of a difference here... More likely that Metrolinx will buy something made in the Northeast US.

 

[smallspy]

It's not ratified yet, and once it's ratified it'll take up to seven years for the various parts of the agreement to take effect. So it won't make much of a difference here... More likely that Metrolinx will buy something made in the Northeast US.

Why are you ruling out Siemens, who is likely the one company who would be able to produce the cars in a short enough timeframe?

Dan
Toronto, Ont

 

[mdrejhon]

FWIW, a comparison of the locations of doors and articulating segments:



(From Hamilton LRT tweet)

 

[TheTigerMaster]

We should buy the Alstom. It's prettiest.

 

[Cobra]

We should buy the Alstom. It's prettiest.

Comes in different size too

 

[TOareaFan]

https://twitter.com/ham_LRT/status/794532425758023680

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

I like the modular design of the Bombardier ones better you can add modules to them eiser then the other companies.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Comes in different size too

We could run two of the 150 ft Citidas, rather than three 100 ft Flexity Freedoms. This would provide higher passenger capacity, since there would be only one spot where the trams would couple.

What's the maximum length of a single tram?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I wonder if there's any way to piggy back off the Ottawa Citidas order. To keep the production line running so there's minimal delay in delivery to Toronto.

 

[Steve X]

I wonder if there's any way to piggy back off the Ottawa Citidas order. To keep the production line running so there's minimal delay in delivery to Toronto.

They can't occupy the assembly factory in Ottawa which would become the maintenance and storage facility. They'll need to assemble them somewhere else.

 

[crs1026]

They can't occupy the assembly factory in Ottawa which would become the maintenance and storage facility. They'll need to assemble them somewhere else.

One has to think that if the final assembly facility can be so readily converted to the maintenance facility, it can't be so elaborate or capital intensive that it matters. Seems like one would be readily set up somewhere else. With the potential size of the ML orders, it will be paid off over the length of this initial order. That positions well for attracting further orders on a more widely competitive basis.

- Paul

 

[EnviroTO]

Comes in different size too

Actually the Bombardier design is the most flexible. It has a better turning radius, and is truly modular. It comes in many lengths as well (see Brussels and Edmonton for longer models) and each extension in length uses the same parts. You can keep adding length by just adding two additional modules that are not unique by design.

If you look at the Citadis there is a unique single truck middle module for the short length, a different longer double truck middle module for the medium length, and another one truck middle module for the longer length.

That said, the better design of the Bombardier equipment means little if they don't actually deliver them.

 

[Steve X]

One has to think that if the final assembly facility can be so readily converted to the maintenance facility, it can't be so elaborate or capital intensive that it matters. Seems like one would be readily set up somewhere else. With the potential size of the ML orders, it will be paid off over the length of this initial order. That positions well for attracting further orders on a more widely competitive basis.

- Paul

They can't keep the assembly line going with differences between the Confederation line LRVs and Metrolinx LRVs such as the length is different as Alstom chose the longest 150ft. trains for Ottawa plus they need Bombardier's ATO equipment oppose to their own if it needs to be compatible with the Eglinton tunnel ATO signals. Then they'll need to train a bunch of new workers to assemble everything unless they can get everyone out from Ottawa. I bet some of those temporary assembly workers would have their contract extended to be maintenance workers at that facility.