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Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

Some points of interest from the above article:

Toronto streetcars, also being built by Bombardier, have been delayed because of faulty parts from both internal and external suppliers, including from its Mexican production plant.

“Our vehicles shouldn’t have those problems,” Schmidt said.
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“Things are progressing well. Our main manufacturing facilities in Mexico and Thunder Bay are undertaking preparation on the production line, so we’ve started fabrication of some parts and we’re getting ready to ramp up to full production very soon,” he said, adding the vehicles will be in full production by the end of the year.

Currently, the parts being manufactured are part of the external structure and undercarriage, he said.

Lefebvre also said Bombardier has reviewed all of its operations and project management, and Toronto streetcars are also seeing ramped up production.

“For the Region of Waterloo, what this means is that through continuous improvements everything we’ve addressed in terms of issues on the TTC to ensure a built quality will not repeat itself on the Region of Waterloo LRV,” he said.

The region is paying $92.4 million for 14 low-floor light rail vehicles, extra parts and contingency. Each vehicle costs about $4.7 million, has 56 fixed seats and can hold about 200 people. The contract piggybacks on an order from Metrolinx.

The vehicles are expected to arrive in the region next summer or early fall. Then Bombardier will test them, before the region accepts them for the project.

“Certainly there is concern Bombardier will be late in our deliveries because of their problems elsewhere, but they are giving us assurances and there are signs they are fixing the problems they had with some of the parts,”
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W. K. Lis said:
From https://twitter.com/BombardierRail/status/644504782825226240
Scratching my head on the Toronto 2013 order for 14. Likely a separate Metrolinx order to supply light rail vehicles for Waterloo. Which could mean separate orders for Hamilton and Peel Region, but would be grouped under Toronto.
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As far as I understand it the Waterloo cars (14 plus an option for 14 more) are part of the Metrrolinx order of 182 plus option for 118 more. The that 300 for Metrolinx was part of the original TTC order of 204 with an option of 400.

So, in theory, the order of 204 with an option of 400 became:
TTC: 204 option of 100
Metrolinx: 182 option of 90
Waterloo: 14 option of 14

So 400 units ordered, with an option of 204 more.
 
nfitz said:
As far as I understand it the Waterloo cars (14 plus an option for 14 more) are part of the Metrrolinx order of 182 plus option for 118 more. The that 300 for Metrolinx was part of the original TTC order of 204 with an option of 400.

So, in theory, the order of 204 with an option of 400 became:
TTC: 204 option of 100
Metrolinx: 182 option of 90
Waterloo: 14 option of 14

So 400 units ordered, with an option of 204 more.
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Minus whatever is not needed for the SLRT and Sheppard.
 
Voltz said:
Minus whatever is not needed for the SLRT and Sheppard.
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Metrolinx has stated they aren't adjusting the order, because they can use the remaining cars on other projects. (though I suppose that might change if city cancels Sheppard - but it's been province that has been delaying it).
 
One of the downfalls of having multiple suppliers and builders for various commuter lines within the same jursidiction/locality is the additional tooling and servicing requirements & expenses... think of maintaining full sets of parts for each LRV series and what that might cost.

That said, I'm disappointed in Bombardier's failures and inability to maintain a credible supply schedule. It's pathetic.
 
We went with the cheapest bid and look at the mess we are in. They need to look beyond just the lowest bid and look at past behaviour when looking at who to award to.
 
Adjei said:
We went with the cheapest bid and look at the mess we are in. They need to look beyond just the lowest bid and look at past behaviour when looking at who to award to.
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Hence the motion in front of the TTC board next week including the option of cancelling the current contract, and banning Bombardier from future bidding for TTC.

However, with signs of delivery increasing, and the recent statements from Byford, I'd suspect they'll wait to see if they do successfully ramp up.

There's been no major concerns with vehicle quality of what has gone into service. If Bombardier does delivery it all before the final deadline, on budget, and it works well ... then why preclude them from future lines.

Though presumably by then they will do another open tender - just like the current one. With only 2 bidders on a 400-car order (possibly the biggest in the history of the world), we shouldn't think that a small 30-car or 50-car order in the future is going to attract the attention. Recall that Ottawa didn't bid the cars. They were chosen by the winning consortium.
 
Lenser said:
One of the downfalls of having multiple suppliers and builders for various commuter lines within the same jursidiction/locality is the additional tooling and servicing requirements & expenses... think of maintaining full sets of parts for each LRV series and what that might cost.

That said, I'm disappointed in Bombardier's failures and inability to maintain a credible supply schedule. It's pathetic.
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Yeah, Id hate to to think that for the rest of our lives we would have to deal with Bombardier, and who is to say they dont get sold and everything changes?
Im sure there are other cities in the world operating lines with two different mfgs, of LRVs
 
Adjei said:
We went with the cheapest bid and look at the mess we are in. They need to look beyond just the lowest bid and look at past behaviour when looking at who to award to.
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Yes, but the other bidder was Siemens, which was not only much, much more expensive, but had to rebuild 400 trams a few years back because they were defective. Let's not pretend Bombardier is the only manufacturer that had problems. The USA is littered with lousy trams.
 
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