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Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs

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Interesting that they have it in a special platform on the railcar. Why not just weld the rails directly on the rail car and transport the car that way like they do with the other cars?
Because the Edmonton cars are longer, and the outer wheels hang out overthe ends of the flatcars.

Interesting that the Edmonton cars, including the one just delivered that Alstom is featuring in its publicity, have the Bombardier lettering across the nose. Probably not enough time to order a replacement part and still meet the delivery schedule.

The early Crosstown cars have the same Bombardier nose lettering. Haven’t seen the latest deliveries to know if the whole order will have that lettering. The TTC cars don’t have it.

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Are they really going to change the badging? I'm sure all the parts where ordered before the acquisition. If there is a new order they might be rebranded.

I would have thought that they would make sure that one has Alstom logos, just for the photo op. Obviously they can’t rewrite history, but they will want to extract all possible good press. Especially since Bombardier is still in business and the average citizen may not be familiar with the details of who makes what.

Of course, if they anticipate warranty claims, or intend to abandon the product line, they may not.

- Paul
 

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Because the Edmonton cars are longer, and the outer wheels hang out overthe ends of the flatcars.

Interesting that the Edmonton cars, including the one just delivered that Alstom is featuring in its publicity, have the Bombardier lettering across the nose. Probably not enough time to order a replacement part and still meet the delivery schedule.

The early Crosstown cars have the same Bombardier nose lettering. Haven’t seen the latest deliveries to know if the whole order will have that lettering. The TTC cars don’t have it.

- Paul
The articulated Toronto Rockets were sent broken up. They were "sewn" together at the TTC yard.


From link.
 

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The articulated Toronto Rockets were sent broken up. They were "sewn" together at the TTC yard.


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For LRT cars it's not as easy as linking Toronto Rocket cars together. Tons of cabling would need to be connected. It's not as simple as (Semi) permanent couplings.

Why didn't they deliver them to Greenwood by rail like they did with the T1's?
 

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For LRT cars it's not as easy as linking Toronto Rocket cars together. Tons of cabling would need to be connected. It's not as simple as (Semi) permanent couplings.

Why didn't they deliver them to Greenwood by rail like they did with the T1's?
They removed the rail connection from Greenwood a few years before they started getting the TR trains. They did it for a couple of reasons one was they didn't have the space to bring in the TR trains, another was they wanted to expand the yard capacity as well I believe Metrolinx wanted to get rid of the spure line into the yard.
 

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They removed the rail connection from Greenwood a few years before they started getting the TR trains. They did it for a couple of reasons one was they didn't have the space to bring in the TR trains, another was they wanted to expand the yard capacity as well I believe Metrolinx wanted to get rid of the spure line into the yard.
Hopefully the new Kipling yard is close enough for rail connections for CP to deliver cars through Obico yard. Or the Yonge extension would allow delivery of cars through CN.
 

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Hopefully the new Kipling yard is close enough for rail connections for CP to deliver cars through Obico yard. Or the Yonge extension would allow delivery of cars through CN.
I think it was determined that it was easier to deliver them by road rather than by rail because they had to assemble them. The delivery of the streetcars and the LRTs by rail is a lot easier as they are all one piece.
 

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I think it was determined that it was easier to deliver them by road rather than by rail because they had to assemble them. The delivery of the streetcars and the LRTs by rail is a lot easier as they are all one piece.
Until there is an Obico Subway yard in place, any new subway cars will be truck in. Once a new Obico yard is up and running, you could ship by rail and reduce the need for escort all the way from X. Regardless if ship by rail or truck, they still have to be put together to make a train. If the new cars can be shipped by rail, more than one car can be ship to the yard with TTC moving cars to the ramp area as needed, not the way it was done for the streetcars. One track would hold all the new cars until they can be off loaded with the empty being move to another track using a track module unit.

Can not see CN delivering cars to the north extension since the line and yard will be underground in the first place. Don't see a branch line being built off CN line into a tunnel to get to the yard. Don't know if the yard would ne able to put a train together there or have to be pull all the way to Wilson. If they have to be pull to Wilson, you are far better off shipping by truck straight to Wilson like it was done for the TR.

The question is, will the new yard be built and in operation before the new cars are order and being delivery? Until that yard is in operation, trucks will be delivering the next new fleet of TR's.

Trucks will be use to delivery the Finch and Hurontario streetcars since there is no rail connection near the yards.
 

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Until there is an Obico Subway yard in place, any new subway cars will be truck in. Once a new Obico yard is up and running, you could ship by rail and reduce the need for escort all the way from X. Regardless if ship by rail or truck, they still have to be put together to make a train. If the new cars can be shipped by rail, more than one car can be ship to the yard with TTC moving cars to the ramp area as needed, not the way it was done for the streetcars. One track would hold all the new cars until they can be off loaded with the empty being move to another track using a track module unit.

Can not see CN delivering cars to the north extension since the line and yard will be underground in the first place. Don't see a branch line being built off CN line into a tunnel to get to the yard. Don't know if the yard would ne able to put a train together there or have to be pull all the way to Wilson. If they have to be pull to Wilson, you are far better off shipping by truck straight to Wilson like it was done for the TR.

The question is, will the new yard be built and in operation before the new cars are order and being delivery? Until that yard is in operation, trucks will be delivering the next new fleet of TR's.

Trucks will be use to delivery the Finch and Hurontario streetcars since there is no rail connection near the yards.
There is no storage space for extra cars at Greenwood. Is the plan to move the TR's we have now to line 2? Or the new cars will go to line 2?

I am guessing they will need to modify the schedule since the T1's are faster and the doors close a bit faster?
 

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