picard102
Senior Member
I forgot that the police were the only jobs we're not allowed to make any changes to ever.
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Mayor Olivia Chow's Toronto
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narduch
Senior Member
No matter how corrupt they are either
Northern Light
Superstar
Irrespective of the merits or legalities of the idea, there would not a be a mass firing officerst if a residency requirement came in.
Where this has been done, it has generally been applied to new hires first.........
Then, it becomes an incentive structure, ie. extra money for being locally resident, where you might red line pay for non-resident officers.
Then, you move towards compulsory, with exceptions based on criteria. (hardship of move, extraordinary merit to the department, retiring within 5 years etc.)
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That said, in genera, it seems unlikely compulsory residence would pass a Charter challenge. Mobility rights are not subject to the Notwithstanding Clause.
It would likely require a S.1 {Reasonable Limits) justification. The evidentiary burden would be high.
gabe
Senior Member
Like i said, it's idiotic!
picard102
Senior Member
I'm not sure it would. Residency isn't a protected class, lots of jobs hire or do not hire based on applicant location or the applicants willingness to move to the location.
Northern Light
Superstar
Perhaps.
Still, I don't see it as very practical; I see as something that requires a long lead time, and likely extra compensation. Since police can't strike, any move to impose the condition would also be the subject of arbitration.
Seems like a very costly exercise vs demonstrated benefits.
Don't get me wrong, I think its a good idea if officials/employees of the City live in the place they work.
But we don't even require Councillors to live in their own wards! The hypocrisy would be a tad jarring.
picard102
Senior Member
Be more than happy to see that change first as well.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
From https://mikepmoffatt.medium.com/ontarians-on-the-move-5-who-commutes-to-toronto-for-work-b5dc013a99e3
Census 2016 contains a number of fantastic data tables on ‘journey to work’, examining the commuting patterns of Ontarians. I grabbed the data by census division (CD) for Ontario CDs, and looked for any CDs where at least 1% of workers commute to Toronto CD for work. As it turns out, this includes 20 of Ontario’s 49 CDs:
Wonder who then complains about traffic congestion, when they are the only person in the vehicle? Now we know why they want to expand Billy Bishop Airport (YTZ).
Census 2016 contains a number of fantastic data tables on ‘journey to work’, examining the commuting patterns of Ontarians. I grabbed the data by census division (CD) for Ontario CDs, and looked for any CDs where at least 1% of workers commute to Toronto CD for work. As it turns out, this includes 20 of Ontario’s 49 CDs:
Wonder who then complains about traffic congestion, when they are the only person in the vehicle? Now we know why they want to expand Billy Bishop Airport (YTZ).
adma
Superstar
Some of those highish figures for places like Dufferin, Haliburton, Muskoka, PEC (well, high enough to count in a list like this) seem propelled by affluent ex-Torontonians who chose to live in the periphery. (And I'd imagine those peripheral-place shares were especially boosted btw/2016 and 2021 due to the pandemic--or conversely, a lot of those 2016ers might have chosen a "Zoom commute" by '21)
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Maybe Toronto should require its Green P parking lots and top floor of its parking garages to require to have solar panels?
https://bsky.app/profile/koreen.bsky.social/post/3mjkf5fua422o
If successful, the city could require any private parking lots to do the same.
https://bsky.app/profile/koreen.bsky.social/post/3mjkf5fua422o
The power generated should used to plug in EVs. If we angle them to the south, the sun could melt the snow off them. Maybe save on snow plowing of the lots.France passed a law requiring solar panels on every parking lot with more than 80 spaces.
Equals 10 nuclear reactors
Reduces heat island, shades cars
Most of them are uncovered asphalt sitting in direct sunlight. Why aren't we doing this?
If successful, the city could require any private parking lots to do the same.
picard102
Senior Member
The city seems to be pursuing a move to get rid of parking lots, vs utilizing them for long term power generation. But the weather and length of generating hours are a real obstacle.
nightstreak
Senior Member
I'm getting an understanding of single issue voters and how people tend to skew more conservative as they go through lived experiences.
I've voted Liberal and NDP over my life (never Conservative, not once) and have voted for Olivia Chow in every election she's been in — for city councillor, for MP and for Mayor (twice) — but I can be swayed to vote for whoever clamps down on the culture of traffic disobedience on our streets.
I've barely just healed from a very painful injury sustained from a food courier running a red light and plowing into my ribs without a hesitation to even slow down and it nearly just happened again, this time right in front of police who did nothing. Full speed through a solid red light, swerved through the cops and through a crowd crossing the crosswalk. Cops didn't even flinch. This is why there's this culture of disobedience in our city. Drivers and cyclists know that Police can't be bothered to enforce traffic laws anymore. I've never seen this in a city before, usually people behave around cops. It started with Chief Saunders who was forced to admit after evidence came up that his police service had deprioritized traffic enforcement.
So why are we, citizens of the city of Toronto, funding this line item on their budget? I want to see Chow follow through on license plates for commercial e-bikes and I want to see her use her public leverage to call the police chief out on this and even openly withdraw the section of the traffic enforcement on the police budget if they don't turn things around.
Brad Brad, I hate you but you got my vote if you make this a priority on your platform. Olivia, I love you but I'm withholding my vote until this long-standing issue that affects everyone in the city becomes a priority.
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I've voted Liberal and NDP over my life (never Conservative, not once) and have voted for Olivia Chow in every election she's been in — for city councillor, for MP and for Mayor (twice) — but I can be swayed to vote for whoever clamps down on the culture of traffic disobedience on our streets.
I've barely just healed from a very painful injury sustained from a food courier running a red light and plowing into my ribs without a hesitation to even slow down and it nearly just happened again, this time right in front of police who did nothing. Full speed through a solid red light, swerved through the cops and through a crowd crossing the crosswalk. Cops didn't even flinch. This is why there's this culture of disobedience in our city. Drivers and cyclists know that Police can't be bothered to enforce traffic laws anymore. I've never seen this in a city before, usually people behave around cops. It started with Chief Saunders who was forced to admit after evidence came up that his police service had deprioritized traffic enforcement.
So why are we, citizens of the city of Toronto, funding this line item on their budget? I want to see Chow follow through on license plates for commercial e-bikes and I want to see her use her public leverage to call the police chief out on this and even openly withdraw the section of the traffic enforcement on the police budget if they don't turn things around.
Brad Brad, I hate you but you got my vote if you make this a priority on your platform. Olivia, I love you but I'm withholding my vote until this long-standing issue that affects everyone in the city becomes a priority.
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picard102
Senior Member
Who are you going to vote for, knowing that if either of them make these promises, neither will likely follow through?
Northern Light
Superstar
While I sympathize greatly with your concern and share it, I don't think, even if you believed a given candidate promising action on it, that that issue alone should determine your vote. That is a dangerous line of thinking, one that gave many voters down south regrets.
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I would note, that while Mayor's do have some strong arm options open to them, that they cannot direct police operations; additionally, they have limited abilities on the budget too with provincial mandates around what the City must provide police with in resources. There's not a number written down.....but neither can the City be seen to be arbitrary or to get thorough the back door what they cannot get through the front.
Real world - back channel stuff does happen.... ...... but any candidate who tells you they can straight forwardly direct police to enforce or have an easy alternative solution if they don't is either a fool or a liar.
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nightstreak
Senior Member
I guess this is where Toronto's notoriously low voter turnout comes from. The 39% average is representative of the cynicism in our electorate and I'm getting a first hand view of why.
If the Mayor wanted to raise this issue in the press every day, trust me, the police would feel the heat. Remember that when any time there was a mention of the King Street Pilot disobedience in the press, there was a police blitz. A mayor can sustain that indefinitely by way of public awareness. She has levers, she just doesn't care to pull them. This isn't even an issue that divides people. Nobody likes seeing others breaking the rules, specially when it endangers them, whether they're crossing a crosswalk, riding a bike or have a driver cutting them off in traffic.
Heck, the solution fell right into her lap without her lifting a finger and she dismissed it. It just came out that Waymo is interested in rolling out in Toronto and her reaction was "but their jobs":
No, f* that I want fewer humans driving around in a hurry, I'll take the robot thank you very much.