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Liberal defects to the Conservatives

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Having a history of contradicting yourself much?
That's the danger of paraphrasing. My complete post was stating that for each product made in Toronto there are more made outside of Toronto in the 905 region. Obviously I think, per the above, that Toronto makes products, so there's no contradiction.
 
Globe Editorials

The defence lobbyist who became the minister

Prime Minister Stephen Harper seems intent on interrupting the honeymoon usually enjoyed by new governments by contradicting the very positions he took in Opposition. The Conservatives stand for an elected Senate and condemned the sponsorship scandal that compromised the Department of Public Works and party officials; so Mr. Harper appoints a party official to the Senate and makes him Public Works Minister. The Conservatives' first order of business is to restore accountability to government; so Mr. Harper hands a cabinet post to an MP who only two weeks ago ran as a Liberal and told voters to elect him because the Conservatives were a danger.

And there's a third example. Even as he creates a new rule that former ministers, ministerial staff and senior public servants cannot lobby the federal government for five years after they leave their jobs, Mr. Harper has named a former defence lobbyist to the post of defence minister. Until former brigadier-general Gordon O'Connor was elected in 2004 and named defence critic, he had for years been a registered lobbyist working for the public-affairs giant Hill & Knowlton and specializing in advising defence manufacturers on how to secure government contracts.

Consider a partial list of Mr. O'Connor's clients. From 1996 to 2004, he was an official lobbyist for defence contractor BAE Systems, which last June took over another of his clients, United Defense. From 1996 to 2001, he served defence contractor General Dynamics. From 1999 to 2004, he served naval electronics firm Atlas Elektronik GmbH. From 2001 to 2004, he served Airbus Military, maker of the A400M military transport plane, which has competed to provide transports for Canada's military. In fact, as Mr. O'Connor pointed out only two months ago while serving as his party's defence critic, Airbus was considerably inconvenienced by the way the military arranged its bidding process.

It is not unusual for retired military officers to take jobs connected to the defence industry, but it is rare for a defence lobbyist to jump so quickly to the post of defence minister. Mr. Harper dismisses the notion that lobbying before becoming a minister is in any way similar to lobbying after having been a minister. "Having worked in an industry in the past does not constitute a conflict of interest in the present."

But how could it not? Mr. O'Connor will, as Defence Minister, very likely be dealing with the same people he worked and supped with regularly in his former job as facilitator and enabler. We have no doubt that Mr. O'Connor is an upright individual. He is no longer in the paid service of the defence contractors, and, under Mr. Harper's rules, when he leaves politics he won't be able to return to lobbying for five years. But the man who so recently fought the cases of Airbus Military, of BAE Systems, of Alenia Marconi Systems and the like can't help but be compromised when those companies and others he served compete for new contracts. There is at least the perception of a conflict of interest. And make no mistake, the new Conservative government will be catnip to those companies. Mr. Harper announced in December that any government he formed would increase defence spending by $5.3-billion over five years.

It is perplexing that even as Mr. Harper erects a five-year barrier at the far end of public service, he welcomes into the defence portfolio a man who less than two years ago was a lobbyist with ties to a number of defence contractors. That the Prime Minister sees no contradiction is cause for worry.




Is this how Harper ushers in a new era?

Prime Minister Stephen Harper's first day in office was marred by two deplorable decisions. The first was to put an unelected Conservative official in cabinet by appointing him to the Senate.

The choice of Tory campaign co-chairman Michael Fortier as Public Works Minister is precisely the sort of move that Mr. Harper used to denounce when he was Opposition leader. Mr. Harper argued then that the link between political parties and the public purse was an invitation to corruption. It was the blurring of the line between ruling party and government that led to the sponsorship scandal, after all.

Yet here we have a top official of the ruling party placed in charge of a ministry responsible for disbursing public money -- the very ministry, in fact, that was mixed up with sponsorship. Because Mr. Fortier lacks a seat in the House of Commons, the Opposition will not be able to question him directly on how he conducts himself. How are we to square this with Mr. Harper's vow to clean up government, which only yesterday he called his government's top priority?

The Fortier appointment clashes with another key Tory promise: to make the Senate an elected body. This has been at the centre of the Harper agenda since his days with the Reform and Alliance parties. Not long ago, Mr. Harper was pledging that he would no longer appoint senators who are not elected. So it is strange indeed that, in his very first act as prime minister, he should put a supporter in the cabinet by using his power of appointment -- a power he says prime ministers should not have.

In the past, prime ministers have reached into the Senate for cabinet ministers when they were shut out of one region or another. The Conservatives were not shut out in Quebec. They took a surprising 10 seats. Why, then, was it necessary to put an unelected minister in the cabinet? Mr. Harper's officials say he needed someone from the Montreal area, where the Tories failed to elect anyone. But Mr. Harper could have put one of his other Quebec MPs in charge of representing Montreal's interests. In other words -- what a concept -- he could simply have accepted the people's verdict and worked with the MPs they actually chose to elect.

Mr. Harper's second, even more dubious decision was to persuade David Emerson to leave the Liberal Party and join the Conservatives as Minister for International Trade. That showed a shocking disrespect for the voters of Vancouver Kingsway. Only two weeks ago they elected Mr. Emerson as a Liberal. Now they wake up to find Mr. Emerson posing for a cabinet photograph with Mr. Harper. How are voters supposed to believe in the democratic process if their choice is treated with such contempt?

The Tories came a poor third in Vancouver Kingsway, with just 18 per cent of the vote. Many voters backed Mr. Emerson specifically to keep the Tories out of power. Indeed, Mr. Emerson urged them to do just that. He even appealed to NDP supporters, asking them to block the Tories by voting for him.

On Nov. 28, according to the next day's Vancouver Sun, he said that the Conservative Party was made up of "heartless" and "angry" individuals who were hostile to Liberal social programs and to immigrants. "They're uncomfortable with ethnic minorities," said Mr. Emerson, whose riding contains many immigrants. "They try to dance around it and create partisan attempts to win those votes, but I think everybody sees through that." Now he is bumping elbows with those heartless people at the cabinet table.

It was one thing for Belinda Stronach to jump from the Tories to the Liberals. She at least had a reason on top of simple ambition. She was not getting along with Mr. Harper and was finding it hard to support the Conservative stand on same-sex marriage and other social issues. Mr. Emerson, by contrast, was a hand-picked ally of prime minister Paul Martin. He was getting along fine with his party and campaigned fiercely for it.

Even after the Liberal defeat, he told election-night supporters he would fight on for the Liberals -- and against the Tories. "And when we don't like public policy, when we think social justice is not being pursued, when we think the economic foundation that we put in place is jeopardized, you'd better believe we are going to make one heck of a lot of noise . . ." Now, presumably, he will be fighting for his new party just as loudly.

Mr. Harper says he thinks Mr. Emerson can contribute more in cabinet than he could on the Opposition benches. Mr. Emerson was always on the conservative wing of the Liberal Party anyway, the new Prime Minister told reporters. But if that was Mr. Emerson's real mindset, perhaps he should have run as a Tory in the first place. The very least he should have done was surrender his seat and contest it again as a Conservative, asking voters to approve his change of mind.

Mr. Emerson has shown very poor judgment. Mr. Harper has shown worse. He ran for prime minister as a man of principle, a man who would rise above grubby political tricks, a man who would return accountability and honesty to government. He has a perverse way of showing it.
 
The fact remains - the economic region is NOT well represented by the Conservatives.
Now THAT I can and do agree with.
 
I'm not the only one who thought throughout the election that all the talk about cleaning up government and 'ethics' was bull, right?
 
Of course it was bull... especially the Dingwall pack of Chicklets thing. Dingwall bought a pack of Chicklets for a buck something, Harper made a big deal about it, Dingwall was fired as a result, PWC found nothing too irregular about his expense reports, Dingwall is entitled to $400k plus. Some Liberals are caught in a scandal costing $100M, Martin calls enquiry and afterwards turns over findings to RCMP, Martin implements campaign donation limits and planned on implementing all Gomery recommendations, Harper and Layton force election costing $200M using scandals to increase votes and play accountability card, Harper wins and appoints unelected senate member who will take the Public Works portfolio and will not be available for questioning in the house by the opposition.

Liberals: Pack of Chicklets $1.40. Scandal $100M. Total: $100.0M.
Conservatives: Dingwall Settlement $400k. Election $200M. Total: $200.4M
Accountability Increase: zero.
 
You're supposed to end like the VISA commericals:

Being right back where you started: Priceless.
 
You just beat me to it, but here it is anyway...

The fuzzy feeling Harper gets from coasting to 24 Sussex on a wave of apparently limitless voter gullibility and naiveté?

Priceless.
 
In the end, I would be surprised with Harper if he wasn't AT THIS VERY MOMENT trying to recruit more people from the Liberals and Bloc. He's trying to build a government of like-minded folks, and that would include Liberals, Bloc'heads, Layton'ites and Greenies.
 
I'm not the only one who thought throughout the election that all the talk about cleaning up government and 'ethics' was bull, right?

No, you need not feel alone on this issue.
 
Abeja:

I would be surprised with Harper if he wasn't AT THIS VERY MOMENT trying to recruit more people from the Liberals and Bloc

Except after the Emerson defection and the subsequent uproar, Harper would have to think twice about expending what little political capital he has left - and risk further tainting his already shaky record on the matter of hypocricy.

AoD
 
From the Star:

Emerson blocked deal on softwood: Liberals
Feb. 9, 2006. 04:52 AM
JAMES TRAVERS
NATIONAL AFFAIRS COLUMNIST


OTTAWA—Here's the plot of a real-life political thriller: David Emerson defected to the Conservatives this week carrying a multi-billion dollar softwood lumber deal that Liberals, for political reasons, didn't finalize before the federal election.

Former colleagues as well as officials and diplomats privy to the secret, backchannel talks insist Emerson was instrumental in delaying a breakthrough in the decades-old dispute that cost thousands of Canadian jobs. They say the former Liberal industry minister worried that a pre-election announcement would damage Liberal prospects in key British Columbia ridings.

In a telephone interview last night, Emerson confirmed he raised concerns about the proposal after discussions with the B.C. government and softwood industry. But he said it's a "false story" to suggest his resistance was politically motivated and insisted the deal on the table before the election wasn't good enough for Canada then and isn't now.

Liberals and non-partisan sources tell a different story. They say the B.C. government and its powerful forestry industry only lost interest in the plan after meetings with Emerson. His objections, along with concerns in Paul Martin's office that a pre-election deal would stop the then-prime minister from using George W. Bush as a campaign punching bag, convinced Liberals to delay formal negotiations at least until after the January election.

Informally discussed on parallel tracks here and in the U.S., the plan calls for Washington to reimburse about 75 per of the disputed $5 billion in tariffs imposed on Canadian lumber in return for Ontario and Quebec export quotas. In B.C., there would be higher stumpage fees to keep mills in the province's interior from flooding the U.S. market with cheap wood culled from forests hard-hit by mountain pine beetle infestations.

Those behind-the-scenes talks, led in Washington by Ambassador Frank McKenna and nursed in Ottawa by then-international trade minister Jim Peterson, were rapidly moving the two countries toward brief formal negotiations and a quick deal until they tripped over political realties. At the time, Martin's government was publicly resisting Bush administration pressure to return to the negotiating table, arguing that Canada had won serial tribunal decisions and would settle for nothing less than complete victory and full compensation.

Emerson was among the most outspoken Liberal ministers. In August, he called on Canadians to unite around fair trade. "Are we going to be stronger than the sum of our parts, or are we going to be endlessly bickering amongst ourselves and allow the bully to basically mop the floor with us."

But while making noisy demands that the U.S. abide by the letter and spirit of cross-border treaties and by threatening a trade war if it did not, Martin's government was quietly building a Canadian consensus. First, the three biggest softwood provinces tentatively agreed to the hybrid formula, and then key parts of the industry were brought into the talks on condition of strict confidentiality.

In Washington, McKenna discreetly tested how the U.S. would respond to the hybrid Canadian proposal and Washington's willingness to reimburse tariffs. Conscious of the powerful lumber lobby, U.S. officials were encouraging as well as equally discreet.

By early November, the critical components were in place. "A deal was there to be had," a well-informed source says. "It was easily within reach."

Other sources, including diplomats, confirm the template was complete before Martin's minority government fell. But for reasons Liberals now blame on Emerson, it stepped back from a deal that now falls into Stephen Harper's lap.

That would be a dramatic early success for a new government and for a new trade minister. And that has some of Emerson's former colleagues steaming.

They and others who spoke on condition of anonymity say they accept that Tories will claim a softwood victory as the spoils of war. But they can't stomach that Emerson is now positioned to take credit for an agreement Liberals say he blocked.

They say Emerson didn't want a less-than-perfect agreement to become a Conservative and NDP target. According to the sources, Emerson, a former top lumber executive, also warned that some companies could object to the higher stumpage fees.

Rather than take an unnecessary political risk, Liberals parked the deal, assuming it could be restarted when they were, as they wrongly expected, returned to office.

It's not clear if or when Conservatives learned about the advanced softwood talks. What is known is that the small circle of those aware of the backroom discussions expanded during the final campaign weeks.

In any case, Conservatives had many reasons to encourage Emerson's defection. Highly respected at home as well as by mandarins here, Emerson, who jokingly calls himself a small-c Liberal, gives the party downtown Vancouver representation and an experienced minister to handle the financially troubled Olympics and Pacific rim issues.

So less than 24 hours after the election, Emerson and Conservative campaign co-chairman John Reynolds were discussing the defection that on Monday caught the national capital by surprise. In retrospect, it wasn't so surprising.

Independently wealthy and more interested in policy than politics, Emerson would find little in opposition to justify the grinding travel between the capital and West Coast. Equally important, Harper was willing to give Emerson the international trade job former Liberal cabinet colleagues say he coveted.

Now that he has it, Emerson gets a second chance to complete the deal that diplomats say requires little more than signatures.

That would be an unpleasant surprise ending Liberals didn't anticipate when they put the softwood talks on hold.

AoD
 
Well, it's kinda nice to see this after over 10 years of right-wing whining about political sleaze. At least maybe they'll shut up now.
 
abeja,

I would be surprised with Harper if he wasn't AT THIS VERY MOMENT trying to recruit more people from the Liberals and Bloc

.....consider what this strategy would do to his caucus and the conservative base. Can you say Reform II?
 
From CBC News:

I don't really care' about reaction to party switch: Emerson

Last Updated Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:01:18 EST
CBC News

David Emerson, the Liberal who became a Conservative within days of the Jan. 23 election, says he switched parties to do the best thing for his constituents.

"If you want to call it arrogance, go ahead, fill the newspaper with it. I don't really care," Emerson told reporters on a conference call on Wednesday night. "I am pursuing the very agenda I got involved to pursue when I was in the Liberal party supporting Paul Martin."

In a surprise move announced Monday when Stephen Harper was sworn in as prime minister, Emerson was named to the Conservative leader's cabinet, as minister of international trade. He had defected to the party he had repeatedly denounced in the weeks leading up to election day.

Liberals in Emerson's riding of Vancouver-Kingsway are furious, and demanding that he repay nearly $97,000 in election campaign contributions.

Pablo Coffey, a voter in the riding, said Emerson should see if his constituents back his defection.

"If he had the courage to run in a byelection, he wouldn't receive 500 votes. He would be destroyed in this riding."

The Conservatives last won the riding in 1958, and the Tory candidate got less than 20 per cent of the vote on Jan. 23, compared with 43.5 per cent for Emerson and 34 per cent for the NDP candidate.

In cyberspace, political blogs and discussion groups are reacting to Emerson's move.

Meanwhile, Emerson was downplaying his move, saying: "I didn't expect the kind of reaction I got."

But some B.C. business and political leaders are supporting Emerson because they like his agenda – including improving trade with Asia and resolving the softwood lumber dispute with the United States.

Emerson said it was a tough decision to switch parties, but in the end, he decided it was the right thing to do after talking to Harper.

"I got a call and an opportunity to actually have an impact rather than operate from the opposition side of the House. And I thought that would bear more fruit for the people of the riding and the people of the province."

Harper said he needed Emerson to give Vancouver a voice in the cabinet. The Conservatives did not elect any members from British Columbia's biggest city.

As for the call to return the donations he received as a Liberal, Emerson said: "I think these people ought to give their head a shake and ask themselves how much of that money would have even come to the Liberal party if I hadn't been there."

Meanwhile, the Toronto Star reported Thursday that Emerson, formerly the Liberal industry minister, objected to a deal to settle the softwood dispute which the former government was preparing to disclose after the election.

He told the newspaper that he opposed the deal in cabinet because it wasn't good enough.

While Canada's public position was that it had won international trade rulings that gave the Canadian industry a complete victory, the Liberals were prepared to settle for less.

And while publicly rejecting the U.S. call for more negotiations, Ottawa was in fact close to reaching a backroom deal that would have allowed the U.S. to keep some of the tariffs it had collected on Canadian lumber, and limit Canadian access to the U.S. market, the newspaper said.
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His audacity, not to mention arrogance still shocks 3 days after the fact.

AoD
 
"If you want to call it arrogance, go ahead, fill the newspaper with it. I don't really care," Emerson told reporters on a conference call on Wednesday night.

As for the call to return the donations he received as a Liberal, Emerson said: "I think these people ought to give their head a shake and ask themselves how much of that money would have even come to the Liberal party if I hadn't been there."

Wow...only a week into office and the Conservatives already giving the Liberals plenty of ammo for the next election.

I can just see new Liberal TV commercials with clips of Emerson and Harper giving quotes...
 

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