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andreapalladio
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Your consisted posts here on behalf of the extreme right wing notwithstanding.
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Your consisted posts here on behalf of the extreme right wing notwithstanding.
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Abeja de Almirante
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Extreme right wing? Are you suggesting that anyone who supported the Canadian Conservative Party (5,374,071 voters, or 36.3% of total votes cast in 2006) is a right wing extremist? What do you define as an extreme right wing view or person?
When and on what subjects have I posted here on behalf of the extreme right wing? That's a serious accusation, and must be challenged. Otherwise, you're just throwing unfounded blanket insults in order to cease opinion's contrary to your own. So, again, I ask, when and on what subjects have I posted here on behalf of the extreme right wing?
IMO, I am hardly a right wing extremist. I am an immigrant, of non-English speaking origin, have voted both Liberal and Conservative at many levels, and have friends and associations with folks of all backgrounds. Yes I support strong punishment for crimes, sharp fiscal management and small government, and yes I believe individuals, not society or government are utimately accountable for their actions, but I also gladly pay my taxes and provide charity in order to give back to my adopted society. I also believe it is none of my business if two gay men want to get married, or if a women wants to have an abortion or walk around topless. I have little time for special interest or environmental groups, unless they can set real, acheivable and measureable goals. I say, let the people vote for the society they want through their behaviour, provided they hurt no one but themselves, not through government telling them what moralty is or is not. That's who I am - hardly extremist or right wing.
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andreapalladio
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Yep, same Steve Harper claptrap as the rest of your posts.
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Abeja de Almirante
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Nice try. Please provide back-up on your accusation that my posts are on behalf of the extreme right wing.
If I had stated that all your posts were hateful or racist or off colour, you'd demand that I support such an accusation. So, please support what you say.
If I had stated that all your posts were hateful or racist or off colour, you'd demand that I support such an accusation. So, please support what you say.
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andreapalladio
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You constantly re-hash Steve Harper's pro-gun, pro-war, anti women, anti-immigrant, anti-gay, anti-human rights policies. In this country, they are extremist, and right wing.
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building babel
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Anti-union too. Equally extremist and right wing.
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Abeja de Almirante
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So your position is that anyone, including the millions who voted CPC, who supports Harper's government is a right wing extremist? I'd like to reserve that label for the crazies at the Heritage Front and the Western Guard.
What have I said here that is anti-immigrant? I'm an immigrant myself, and proudly welcome newcomers to my community. I've never said anything pro-gun or pro-war, I'm opposed to both (BTW, remember it was the Liberals that put us in the war). What have I said that is anti-women? I'm a proud father of daughters, and wish ardently for a safe and equal future for them in Canada. If there's anything positive about the war, perhaps it's good for Afghan women to be saved from the Taliban, but we know that's not why we went there.
Listen, you can say whatever you please, but unless you can substantiate all of these accusations, you're just throwing insults into the wind.
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andreapalladio
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The conservative party's policies are extremist. You have admitted publicly, in writing, and with great frequency that you support the party and its policies. People who support extremism are by definition extremists.
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Abeja de Almirante
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Okay, now I follow your logic. By your definition, the 5.3 million Canadians who supported the Conservative Party in the 2006 election are extremists.
Using your logic, we could say that the NDP's polices are extremist as well, though in the other direction, supporting measures that are for good or bad calling for significant social and economic change, and thus those 2.5 million Canadians that supported them in the 2006 election are also extremists. Also, the Bloc is calling for the break-up of the country, with their provincial counterparts blaming money and ethnics for their woes, and you can't get much more extremist than that, so that's 1.5 million additional extremists.
That basically leaves the 4.4 million Liberal voters in the middle. With all these extremists running around, you must be terrified.
Honestly, and getting back to reality, let's not use the extremist tag for our mainstream parties. If 66% of the 14 million voters have chosen far right, far left or separatist parties, I would argue that the extremist label would be overused and applied to much of our population.
Andrea, I am no more a right wing extremist than you're a left wing extremist. Hopefully we can meet in the middle and have a nice conversation, of course then we'd both be Liberals, yuck
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RJR123
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Harper's brand of Conservative is extremist relative to what we have seen in Canada before. He is not cut from the same cloth as a Mulroney conservative (just live Bush JR. is very different from Bush SR.).
His conservatism is born from the Reform party, whose founders would be at home within the Republican party. (ex. pro-gun, anti-abortion, anti-gay-marriage, anti-environmentalism, pro-military). These positions fall outside of what has traditionaly been the mainstream political thinking in Canada, hence the extremist label.
His conservatism is born from the Reform party, whose founders would be at home within the Republican party. (ex. pro-gun, anti-abortion, anti-gay-marriage, anti-environmentalism, pro-military). These positions fall outside of what has traditionaly been the mainstream political thinking in Canada, hence the extremist label.
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Abeja de Almirante
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That's a fair comment. Yet, I do not believe that the majority of the 5.3 million Canadians who voted from the Conservative Party hold the traditional pro-gun, anti-abortion, anti-gay-marriage, anti-environmentalism, pro-military views. I for one am mostly anti-gun (if I give it any thought at all), don't care about gay marriage or abortion, and believe the environment must be protected (and Kyoto was not doing that - as we were increasing our emissions every year) through results-focused, measurable and achievable projects. We would all be pro-military, as much as we're pro-police and pro-fire department. These are the guys and gals who put their lives on the line serving their country and citizens. What we can be is anti-corruption and anti-war, but we should always support our military men and women.
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RJR123
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Your views would have been at home under the old Conservative party. However, with the merger with Reform they have moved further to the right. I agree with you that the majority of the 5.3m voters do not hold these views. I think that they just did not want to vote Liberal or NDP, or may have traditionally voted Conservative in the past, and old habits die hard.
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andreapalladio
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The view that you expressed in the Liberal Leadership topic that gay marriage is not an human rights issue does more to illustrate your extremist view that any of your mealy mouth denials can do to paper it over.
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Abeja de Almirante
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IIRC, I stated in that topic that we should all agree that any denial or restrictions on the behaviour and or priveldges of others should be considered a contravention of human rights.
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adma
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Given the thread topic, I understand the message to be: John Tory is a right-wing extremist because he belongs to the same party as Rob Ford, "Steve" Harper, et al. Uh, yeah.
If there's anything "extreme", it's the judgment-mongering. And I'm no Harperite, or even John Tory-ite, or Jane Pitfield-ite, etc. etc...
If there's anything "extreme", it's the judgment-mongering. And I'm no Harperite, or even John Tory-ite, or Jane Pitfield-ite, etc. etc...