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Intercity Bus Services

Ontario Northland is moving from the Central Bus Terminal to Ottawa Station. This is good news, as Ottawa Station has amenities such as seating, washrooms, basic food service, and security.


It's unfortunate that Megabus decided to use St-Laurent Shopping Centre as its Ottawa terminus, but at least they are only one stop away from each other on the LRT.
Yeah it's unfortunate that there isn't a big enough terminal at Ottawa Station to accommodate all the intercity buses. But if I had to choose one operator to be at the station, it would indeed be ONTC, since their routes are the most complementary to VIA's. I doubt many people would be transferring from Megabus' Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal service to VIA's Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal service anyway. But we could certainly see transfers from VIA's Montreal-Ottawa train to ONTC's Ottawa-Sudbury route.

Do we know where Rider Express will be based out of in Ottawa? It's possible they'll be based out of a third location, making for a whole bunch of missed connections in that part of the intercity bus network.
 
Ontario Northland is moving from the Central Bus Terminal to Ottawa Station. This is good news, as Ottawa Station has amenities such as seating, washrooms, basic food service, and security.


It's unfortunate that Megabus decided to use St-Laurent Shopping Centre as its Ottawa terminus, but at least they are only one stop away from each other on the LRT.
Has it been confirmed that they're using St. Laurent? I've seen nothing on this file, other than a test run around the mall.
 
Yeah it's unfortunate that there isn't a big enough terminal at Ottawa Station to accommodate all the intercity buses. But if I had to choose one operator to be at the station, it would indeed be ONTC, since their routes are the most complementary to VIA's. I doubt many people would be transferring from Megabus' Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal service to VIA's Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal service anyway. But we could certainly see transfers from VIA's Montreal-Ottawa train to ONTC's Ottawa-Sudbury route.

Do we know where Rider Express will be based out of in Ottawa? It's possible they'll be based out of a third location, making for a whole bunch of missed connections in that part of the intercity bus network.

Connection to Kingston and Toronto from Northland buses would be useful for passengers in the Ottawa Valley (Pembroke, Renfrew, etc.) but they can still take the train, even if it isn’t as cheap.
 
Connection to Kingston and Toronto from Northland buses would be useful for passengers in the Ottawa Valley (Pembroke, Renfrew, etc.) but they can still take the train, even if it isn’t as cheap.
If that is the case then you need a route from Belleville to Kaladar, and then on to Eganville. It can take #41. But wouldn't it be faster to go through Ottawa?
 
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp...s-small-town-residents-are-losing-a-lifeline/

It’s been years since I took the bus home to visit my family, but until Greyhound’s closing in Canada, I frequently bought tickets for others. As an advocate for women escaping intimate violence, I helped women secure Greyhound tickets as a key part of their escape plan. Not only were bus tickets the cheapest option for a woman fleeing with little money to her name, they were often the only option for women living in rural, remote and northern areas and in First Nations communities. You could easily secure a same-day ticket, grab your go-bag and slip out of your community in the middle of the night.
Rural transit service is a human rights and First Nations issue the federal government needs to address.
 
The thing i could never understand with Greyhound was if you ar buying a ticket for someone else there was a fee, which makes no sense.

Also you needed government ID to board a bus and it must match the name on the ticket.

And just because you had a ticket doesn't mean that th bus would have a seat for you. I don't know if standees were allowed but what happens if you board at a flag stop and the bus is full? You need to wait 12 hour's or 3 days for the next bus?
 
Megabus will introduce a lot of new services but they will learn from Greyhound's mistakes and provide service on the most profitable of routes. The time of having a bus service to every little spot on the map are over and rural Canadians are going to have to accept that.

A Toronto-London route will be an obvious one as it, like it's VIA station, is one of the busiest in the country. It shouldn't really have much of a market from London due to it being a VIA hub from Tor/Ham, Kitchener, Sarnia, and Windsor but many will not take VIA because it is far too infrequent, slow, and unreliable.
 
Megabus will introduce a lot of new services but they will learn from Greyhound's mistakes and provide service on the most profitable of routes. The time of having a bus service to every little spot on the map are over and rural Canadians are going to have to accept that.

A Toronto-London route will be an obvious one as it, like it's VIA station, is one of the busiest in the country. It shouldn't really have much of a market from London due to it being a VIA hub from Tor/Ham, Kitchener, Sarnia, and Windsor but many will not take VIA because it is far too infrequent, slow, and unreliable.
Well you could take the VIA from London to Aldershot and then to Hamilton. But you can't get to Guelph or Kitchener without going to Toronto first.

What Metrolinx needs to do is to have a highway 6 service from Aldershot to Hamilton and then to Guelph. Then you need the ability to Transfer to Cambridge, Kitchener and Waterloo.
The another company can go from Guelph to Orangeville and then to Owen sound. That will connect with another service that would serve highway 26 to places like Meaford, Collingwood, Wasaga Beach and Barrie.
Also there should be a way to o go to Midland and Penetanguishene from there. Yes the LINX bus goes to some of those places but it's not fun to ride a transit bus from Owed sound to Barrie. So having a local and intercity service would be beneficial, and the ability to transfer back and forth.
Was there ever a service from Sarnia up Highway 21 through grandbend and Goderich to Owen Sound?
 
Megabus will introduce a lot of new services but they will learn from Greyhound's mistakes and provide service on the most profitable of routes. The time of having a bus service to every little spot on the map are over and rural Canadians are going to have to accept that.

A Toronto-London route will be an obvious one as it, like it's VIA station, is one of the busiest in the country. It shouldn't really have much of a market from London due to it being a VIA hub from Tor/Ham, Kitchener, Sarnia, and Windsor but many will not take VIA because it is far too infrequent, slow, and unreliable.
And this is exactly the problem with private, for-profit transit services: they concentrate on competing over a handful of high-demand routings, where there are often already plenty of options, but neglect routes which have few options. Much like in the American Northeast, the only real market for private transit is undercutting publicly run transit either by cutting costs (often staffing) or express trips which, while valuable, "steal" ridership from train systems.
 
Why shouldn't they concentrate on the main routes? These are businesses just like any other not non-profits. If the demand was there then they would serve these rural routes but it isn't.

As for comparing them to trains, these companies are not "stealing" riders from anywhere. They are providing a service that clearly the train networks can't. The bus routes from London mirror the VIA routes for the most part but people won't take VIA because it is painfully slow, highly unreliable, infrequent, and usually more expensive. Saying bus riders are "stealing" riders is like saying the airlines are doing the same who also only provide service to profitable destinations. If VIA offered a superior service then people would take it but they most assuredly don't.
 
Why shouldn't they concentrate on the main routes? These are businesses just like any other not non-profits. If the demand was there then they would serve these rural routes but it isn't.

As for comparing them to trains, these companies are not "stealing" riders from anywhere. They are providing a service that clearly the train networks can't.

The point isn't that Megabus ought to serve smaller communities out of the goodness of their hearts, the point is that this inequitable distribution of service is what happens when you depend on private for-profit companies for intercity bus service.

It is also worth noting that the per-passenger cost of train travel drops rapidly with higher ridership. Lengthening an intercity train from 4 cars to 8 doubles the capacity, but the operational cost doesn't increase that significantly. So VIA currently sits in a feedback loop where their prices are high because ridership is low, and ridership is low because prices are high. And they can't temporarily drop prices to capture the market, because they would completely outcompete the private bus companies, who would make a huge fuss about being put out of business by a publicly-funded company. But following an initial investment to cut prices and improve frequency and reliability, VIA's Corridor services wouldn't need any public operating funding anymore, as VIA has indeed stated in relation to the HFR proposal. This is already the case with some national railway companies in Europe, such as Nederlandse Spoorwegen, which turned a profit of €215M in 2019. And since NS is owned by the Dutch government, that money goes back into the pockets of taxpayers, unlike profits from fully-private bus companies. These profits don't take into account the full cost of infrastructure construction or maintenance, but neither do the profits of private bus companies.

VIA's operating costs are currently higher than necessary due to their lack of cab cars. They are therefore faced with the choice between wyeing trains at the end of the line, which is expensive, or using two locomotives, which is also expensive. The new Siemens trainsets do include cab cars, which should make the services more profitable.

The bus routes from London mirror the VIA routes for the most part but people won't take VIA because it is painfully slow, highly unreliable, infrequent, and usually more expensive. Saying bus riders are "stealing" riders is like saying the airlines are doing the same who also only provide service to profitable destinations. If VIA offered a superior service then people would take it but they most assuredly don't.

Prior to the pandemic, Greyhound ran 11 buses per day, of which 2 were local trips too slow to be relevant for Toronto-London travel. VIA ran 7 trains per day, of which 2 were too slow to be relevant. VIA's typical travel time was 2h10, and Greyhound's was 2h25. VIA trains were often late, and so were Greyhound buses.
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A typical VIA train carries around 4 to 5 times as many passengers as a Greyhound bus. Assuming an average train length of 4 cars, the VIA schedule provides a capacity of 1736 seats, and the Greyhound schedule provides 605 seats. Even if VIA had a lower occupancy rate than Greyhound, it is safe to assume that their market share was more than double Greyhound's.
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It kinda sucks now that we cannot do round trips from Toronto to Belleville or Kingston on the same day. And there is no other alternatives.
 
It kinda sucks now that we cannot do round trips from Toronto to Belleville or Kingston on the same day. And there is no other alternatives.

VIA Rail allows one to do that, and it will get better once the complete schedule is restored as pandemic restrictions ease. The new fleet now being built will allow you to take your bike aboard. I've done day trips to both cities by rail.
 
VIA Rail allows one to do that, and it will get better once the complete schedule is restored as pandemic restrictions ease. The new fleet now being built will allow you to take your bike aboard. I've done day trips to both cities by rail.
Yeah but you can't do that right now is what I'm saying. At least until they increase the services back to prepandemic levels
 

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