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Home Grown Terror...

The news last night said the guys where planning on bombing the Pickering Nuclear Plant also.

Another reason that plant must be shut down, as its to close to a large city.
 
So we shut down a vital nuclear plant because it's a potential target? Holy shit mike, you've written some doozies, but this one...
 
Anyone planning to bomb Pickering is clearly a bit short on understanding proper target choice.

Allow me to enlighten those...ahem, miketoronto...who think the nuke plant should be closed because someone wants to make a truck bomb...

Pickering is a hard target - highly fortified against impact, and well protected from intrusion from the ground by a truck. Even if a truck bomb got on site, the chances of a bomb causing a radioactive leak are likely nil.

On the other hand, places like Union Station or any of the office towers in the city are a soft targets. Anyone can drive a truck across the sidewalk and up to the side of the building where a bomb of the size these characters had allegedly planned would inflict some substantial damage.

The fact that the suspects reportedly had Pickering on the list of targets leads me to believe that these guys were not really "terrorists" on anything close to the scale of the 9/11 bombers who did extensive planning and training in order to carry out their missions.

The hyperbole associated with this case, both in the media and on this thread (mostly attributed to our Scarberian friend) is rediculous. Advocating closure of the nuke plant because some hack terrorist wannabes from the 'burbs said they wanted to blow it up is the height of stupidity.
 
The nuke plant should be closed anyway, because it sits in to much of a populated area, and does pose a threat. Any kind of thing like a Pickering, being so close to a major city is not a good idea.

Its amazing how many of you on this board think this whole arrest is a big joke, and just a anti-muslim plot by the government. You guys gotta get over whatever chip you have on your shoulders, and admit there is a problem, and that Canada is not immune to terrorism, and that we do have people here who hate us Canadians.
 
these "kids", are radical religious equivilents to streetgangs.

their community needs to get involved.
 
Nevermind Pickering for now...that's a whole other debate.

As far as these arrests being a big joke, I don't consider it a big joke by any stretch of the imagination. All I'm saying is that the media and the cops have blown this out of proportion. Look at today's news:

You've got one lawyer telling the press his client is accused of wanting to storm the House of Commons to take hostages and then behead the Prime Minister. I mean, really...these are the pipedream musings of an idiot who has no clue whether it would even be possible to get a knife into the place, let alone grab the PM to decapitate him.

These guys are the equivilent of Zacarias Moussaoui, the man the Americans still claim was the 20th hijacker - a dubious claim at best.

Whether you're prepared to accept it or not, there's a ton of politics at play here.
 
"I mean, really...these are the pipedream musings of an idiot who has no clue whether it would even be possible to get a knife into the place, let alone grab the PM to decapitate him."

Remember Aline and her little Inuit carving? If the story is true, both Chretiens could have been decapitated, their heads removed from 24 Sussex without anyone knowing they were even dead.
 
We will do everything to crush those who want to crush terrorism. Hey, this Canada after all.
 
Let's see what the police have on all of the suspects. These are horrible accusations, but I respect the rule of law and that they should all be presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law (and not just in the court of public opinion).

I'd especially hate to be a Muslim farmer right now... assuming any acutally exist in Canada.
 
It still has to go through court, but everyone is 95% sure they are guilty, unless the gov plotted the whole thing. People don't plot stuff like that for two years for nothing. So we already know they are guilty pretty much. This court thing will probably be more to decide how long they sit in jail then anything.
 
^Thank you for making that point Mike. I dont think I could have said it any better. Ill get back to that comment, but first, I have some points on which to expand.

If these accussed persons stand trial, are found guilty, and sentenced, then the series of events that have taken place leading up to their arrests will have successful and the issue of terrorism will have been dealt with within the boundries of law and justice, as it should in a civil society. Terrorism exists in all societies of the world and will continue to do so. All a modern, intelligent society can do is handle it in a way that respects the dignity and human rights of of all people and be vigilant, but not not militant.

Canada by and large does seem to have adopted this model. This may well have been in part due to diverse cultural makeup of the country. Even in the past year we have seen many examples across the globe of racial tensions reaching a dangerous point and exploding. It took place in France, in the protests against Denmark, and of course Hurricane Katrina was another reminder. Yet, here in Canada, we have yet to see these kinds of events, despite the fact we are an international country with a diverse citizenry. We have not seen riots and even in the case of the Aboriginal Peoples, a highly marganilzed group of society, we are seeing more civil discussions taking place and no violence from either side (in any extreme or unnecesary form).

Keeping a multicultural society functioning is not easy. You do not simply put a hundred different cultures into one single city and without any assistance, expect it to work. It takes a lot of thought and work on the part of the individual cultures themselves, community leaders, politicians, government workers and policy makers, etc. When the 17 people were arrested, it ment that all affected groups needed to get together, discuss what was taking place, and make sure that they denounced what took place and make a rational plea for peace and civility. On the part of the RCMP, they must conduct their investigation in a truely fair manner so that this remains a trial about what 17 people may or may not have done or planned, and not about nonsense issue like racial profiling and whether Canada's National police agency conducted themselves in an unethical manner.

Im not really sure how the media has chosen to handle this issue or what paper is spinning what side. After a few days of reading hyperbole and spin doctoring I realized that trying to follow the story was pretty pointless as facts didnt seem to be relevant at this point and maybe in a month it will be possible to find out what has and is taking place.

Yet, despite some of the more predictable outcomes, Canadian society as a whole hasnt broken down, turned against Muslims, begun firebombings en masse, etc. The country (largely Ontario it does seem though) may be interested in the story but it appears that logic and Canadian sensibilities, at least in this circumstance, are prevailing.

So this leads me back to Mikes comment, and of course several other about shipping people overseas, and nuclear plants, etc, etc, etc. Given that these suspects have been apprehended, they are no longer a threat so long as they are in a jail cell awaiting trial. What does become a threat is when people start preaching fear based, xenophobic comments and fueling the notion of 'them' instead of understanding that a radical minority does not represent a civil minority. Just as it only takes one bomb to create an act of terror and fear over society, it also takes just one ignorrant, unintelligent person firebombing a Mosque or some stupid redneck shooting his Muslim neighbor to spark racial conflict in a society.

And just as it doesnt matter if an Al-Qaeda training camp is recruiting members using lies and false information, it also doesnt matter if your suburban neighbor is preaching hate and intolerance based on false information. In both cases, they will find people to believe what they have said, and spread it. Its this kind of lose lipped, ill informed, uneducated discourse that takes place in the aftermath of the arrests that is dangerous in a country like Canada where racial intolerance presents a serious to the stability of Canadian society.

Right now its not some radical, lunatic terrorist cell or some other group that worries me. Im more worried about cutting myself shaving before I go out on a date. Its the intolerance and border line hate that publications like the Sun and Le Journal De Montreal publish and the borderline retarded readers who believe the rubish. Its nice that we are being kept safe from terrorists, but is there any chance we will be kept safe from Jim from Pickering, who along with 3 of his buddies, a pickup truck, case of beer and baseball bat suddenly finds himself beating a Muslim person or smashing the windows of a local Mosque?
 
So we already know they are guilty pretty much.

All wrapped up eh, mike? I'll call and tell the cops to just take 'em out bakc and shoot 'em now. Why waste all that money on a fair trial?

Taking a page from your book, maybe you ought to think about heading back to where you're from, dude. If you don't respect the ideals of Canada, like presumption of innocence, and the right to a fair trail, then get the **** out.

Now to grab a copy of this thread to photocopy and paste to every post in Scarborough the next time you run for Council...
 
The timing of The Star's scoop was particularly unfortunate for The Post and The Globe, which managed to squeeze a small story onto Page 2 in just over half of its copies on Saturday.

That's bullshit. The Post featured two stories on this topic on its front page on Saturday morning. In fact, there was nothing else on its front page but those two stories. One would think that after all the scandals the NYT has gone through they would be able to afford a fact checker or two. Besides, the Star's coverage is outright laughable, with the exception of R. Di Manno. Their proclamation in Sunday's edition that there was 'no common denominator' linking the suspects was outrageously absurd. You have to be willfully blind to convince yourself that Islam (ie. 'the Religion of Peace') had nothing to do with bringing these people together.
 

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