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Home Grown Terror...

This group may have been investigated for 3 years, but I'm quite sure that intelligence has been intensely monitoring Islamic extremist groups in Canada for even longer than that... since the mid or late 90s at least.

Like any aspect of human behaviour, why someone decides to become a terrorist is complicated and can't be linked to just one issue. What motivates someone to resort to terrorism could be anything including religious fanaticism, hopelessness, preceived injustices, personal losses, economic issues, foreign policy grievances, etc, etc, etc.
 
"May I point out that there has been no evidence presented yet."

You are kidding me right? 3 tonnes of explosive material and triggering devices?!!!!!!!!!

No offence buildTO, but your thread contained 3 tonnes of bullshit.
 
Harper is quick to hold a news conference about this, but wont say a word on the month long native dispute.
 
They are saying they were monitoring the group for some time and decided they had to act immediately because of an imment attack. I get the feeling that something may have been planned for Canada Day.

All pure amature speculation of course. They may have just purchased a major turf farm.
 
Thanks for keeping this discussion respectful (I am specifically addressing those of you who have addressed me by username, above).

I have been reading more of the related articles since my initial post. There is obviously concern regarding the amount of fertilizer which the authorities claim were in the suspects' possession. Note that the article which begins this thread has no mention of that. My post specifically addressed this article.

Nowhere did I mention "conspiracy". Those of you who have known me for years now know of my work on the Project Thread and Security Certificate cases. Despite the allegations in these new cases, there is nothing which refutes the facts I have stated, that to date 33 Muslim men have been unjustly accused and grossly mistreated by our government and judicial system.

Note that I did not claim the newly accused to be innocent. Rather, I hoped that there is clear proof - something that has never been produced in the accusations against muslims to date.

This is Canada, a democratic country where we claim that people are treated fairly under the law. Would any of you argue the right to be assumed innocent until proven guilty?
 
All these guys who where caught should be sent back to the middle eastern countries they came from 30 years ago. All but one was actually born in Canada. So if the ones who where not born here but are Canadian citizens now, don't like it here, then they should be deported back, no matter what their citizenship.

Canada should get tough with these people. And make an example so other people don't follow. You try to plot attacks against Canada, you get sent back to wherever you came from. Problem fixed.

If they don't like the west, then I guess they should not be living here.
 
I don't think BuildTO said anything really controversial. He's right in that the quest to weed out terrorists can sometimes lead to persecution of innocent people as has happened in the recent past. From what we've heard about these people, I do think they were up to no good.
 
Bravo miketoronto, for the most non-well-thoughout post I have seen to date.

What happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty? I can't even argue on how many points your drivel is wrong, but you see that is the beauty of living in a free society; People have rights for a reason (one is to protect them from shallow minded folks such as yourself)

Your blanket statements are pathetic and ugly.

You sound like my racist aunt.
 
nassauone if they are proven guilty then they should be sent back if they don't like Canada.

Actually my co-workers where talking about this yesterday at work, and everyone said the same thing "send them back to where they where born if they hate Canada". If they are found guilty of wanting to harm Canada because we are a free society, then they should be sent back.

You do that to a couple people and it will set an example to others not to even think about doing it.
 
Im all for fighting terror, but this whole story doesnt sound right and some mistakes were made. Nothing is really clear.

'Homegrown baloney'

No foundation for charges, Muslim community, families say
CanWest News Service
Published: Sunday, June 04, 2006


Unprecedented security, including rooftop snipers and machine-gun toting tactical police officers, greeted members of the Muslim community, reporters and worried family members yesterday as the accused in one of Canada's largest terrorism cases appeared in court.

Wearing leg-irons and handcuffs, 15 of the 17 suspects arrested late Friday as part of an anti-terrorism sweep shuffled into the Brampton, Ont., courthouse for their first appearances. They face charges of participating in the acts of a terrorist group, including training and recruitment, firearms and explosives offences for the purposes of terrorism and providing property for terrorist purposes.

With the exception of two men, ages 43 and 30, the accused are all in their teens and early 20s.

"It is all fake, for God's sake. There is no foundation" for the charges, said Mohammed Abdelhaleem, father of Shareef, 30, of Mississauga, Ont., who is among those arrested.

Inside the court, the accused and their lawyers heard nothing about the alleged evidence gathered against them.

Jim Leising, a Justice Department prosecutor, asked that all bail hearings be postponed until Tuesday.

"The investigation is still ongoing. The police are still executing warrants," Leising told John Farnum, a justice of the peace.

After hours of waiting, relatives only caught short glances of their loved ones, some of whom complained through their lawyers that they'd been denied access to medication, eyeglasses, blankets, and the Qur'an, the Muslim holy book. A bail hearing is expected in several weeks.

Rocco Galati, a lawyer representing two of the men, criticized the security.

"I do not feel safe walking across an entryway with automatic weapons pointed in my direction," he told the judge.

Abdelhaleem, who works as a consultant for Atomic Energy of Canada and a hydro company, said his job has nothing to do with his son or the charges.

"He is a very decent and good kid. He has no violent inclinations at all.

"I couldn't believe it when I heard. It is not in our family. We have no intentions of such things," said Abdelhaleem who said his son's only crime is that "he goes and prays in a mosque."

His son, Shareef, was born in Egypt but came to Canada at a young age. He's an unmarried computer programmer with no criminal history, said Galati, his lawyer.

Aly Hindy, imam at the Salaheddin Islamic Centre in Scarborough, outside Toronto, said the charges would be proved false.

"They talk of homegrown terrorism. This is homegrown baloney."
 
My response was harsh but I have no time for excuses for terrorists and those advocating the use of violence to proactively further their cause (and that means Bush too).
 
No foundation for charges, Muslim community, families say

I would like to know when the Canadian muslim community is actually going to stand up and admit there is a problem and stop saying there is no problem with terrorism, etc.
Unless the community itself admits there is a problem, we are never going to fix this situation of Muslim terrorism in the world.
 
I would like to know when the Canadian muslim community is actually going to stand up and admit there is a problem and stop saying there is no problem with terrorism, etc.

I would like to know when you will post something on this matter that actually makes sense. First, Muslim-Canadian have denounced terrorism many times. Secondly, denouncing terrorism does nothing to solve the problem.

My response was harsh but I have no time for excuses for terrorists and those advocating the use of violence to proactively further their cause (and that means Bush too).

I don't think anyone here has advocated the use of terrorism. I for one believe that it is an inevitability though; it has happened throughout human history and will continue to happen. If people are angry and motivated enough, they will do it, and threatening deportation, as miketoronto suggests, is unlikely to be a deterrent. Terrorists, whether it be the FLQ, IRA or Al Qaeda believe they are fighting for a higher cause... legal threats won't make any difference.

There was a very interesting series of talks on the psychology of terrorism at the recent APA meeting I attended... too bad it wasn't open to the public.
 
Rocco Galati, a lawyer representing two of the men, criticized the security.

"I do not feel safe walking across an entryway with automatic weapons pointed in my direction," he told the judge.


What an asshole. Get over yourself. I don't feel safe knowing people are buying tonnes of fertilizer to blow other people up. Highly trained, armed officers guarding a court is a small price to pay.
 

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