TheTigerMaster
Superstar
So just to be clear: if you take GO Transit and TTC on the same trip, all the customer will see is a $1.50 charge deducted from their cost of the trip, correct?
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GTHA Transit Fare Integration
- Thread starter RedRocket191
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So just to be clear: if you take GO Transit and TTC on the same trip, all the customer will see is a $1.50 charge deducted from their cost of the trip, correct?
Palma
Senior Member
does it apply the other way - TTC commuters going onto GO get $1.50 off
TOareaFan
Superstar
The way it works on the other systems I have used is this:
Local transit to GO......full fare charged on local transit on your Presto Card...once you tap on the GO (making the discount eligible) the appropriate amount discount is rebated on the local transit fare.
GO to local transit....if you tap onto local transit within the allowed time after a GO trip, the fare charged to your Presto card on the local trip is discounted at that tap (ie no need for a rebate later).
At no point have I seen the GO fare adjusted at all.
muller877
Senior Member
You can already see the change around Weston (walk up traffic). For those within 500m of the station it has changed their daily commute. And if the TTC can get their head out of the sand will allow people that have long bus trips quicker access to high order transit.
The $1.50 savings is part of the solution and a band-aid. The bigger risk now is that the Liberals are now in election mode. Will they shelve the fare integration study and keep this band-aid on until after the election? When it's dirty and the wound is infected.
joet00
New Member
I will sometimes take YRT ($1 co-fare) to Newmarket GO and then hop on the train to Union.
The YRT co-fare is $1, discounted from $3.63. The Newmarket-Union GO fare is $9.06.
This is how the Presto website presents the charges to my card:
YRT > GO
Tap on YRT: $3.63 full-fare
Tap on at Newmarket: $5.30 base fare
Tap off at Union: $1.13 (the balance of the $9.06 GO fare after the $5.30 at tap on at Newmarket AND the $2.63 co-fare rebate).
GO > YRT
Tap on at Union: $5.30 base fare
Tap off at Newmarket: $3.76 (the balance of the $9.06 GO fare)
Tap on YRT: $1 co-fare
Of course, we don't know if/how things are adjusted/paid-out in the back-end, but from the above it would appear that Presto credits the first agency with their full fare and the second agency is discounted.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Now to work on the Oriole GO Station to/from Leslie Subway Station connection.
The Dundas West Subway Station to/from Bloor GO/UPX Station is now a work in progress.
Maybe something can be improved between the Main Street Subway Station and the Danforth GO Station connection better in someway.
The Dundas West Subway Station to/from Bloor GO/UPX Station is now a work in progress.
Maybe something can be improved between the Main Street Subway Station and the Danforth GO Station connection better in someway.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
This is nothing but great news and hopefully it will expand to 100% price decrease for transfers and not the 50%.
This is what will help make RER a real success. GO have so many potential Toronto riders that cannot use the service due to the price. It is not coincidence that GO fares are drastically higher on a per-km basis for Torontonians and Toronto has fewer GO Rail patrons than just Mississauga despite Toronto having much higher frequencies, all 7 lines, and home to Union.
To bad Toronto doesn't join QP in paying for the other $18 million {which is pennies in the Toronto budget} so there is 100% fare integration and watch GO rail ridership soar overnight.
This is what will help make RER a real success. GO have so many potential Toronto riders that cannot use the service due to the price. It is not coincidence that GO fares are drastically higher on a per-km basis for Torontonians and Toronto has fewer GO Rail patrons than just Mississauga despite Toronto having much higher frequencies, all 7 lines, and home to Union.
To bad Toronto doesn't join QP in paying for the other $18 million {which is pennies in the Toronto budget} so there is 100% fare integration and watch GO rail ridership soar overnight.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
It's true that this will not cause the masses to switch to GO overnight but it is good for transit users and saves them real money. GO ridership will no doubt increase significantly and that will be all in Toronto which will prove to Metrolinx that there is huge latent demand for GO/RER service but it is not working under the current price regime as the fares are simply to high and most GO users get to their stations by the TTC. This will provide info to Metrolinx that people have been saying for decades, all the frequency and off-peak service improvements mean little if people can't afford to take it in the first place and that riders are very price sensitive.
As far as already having a Metropass or paid token, that is a non-issue in terms of integration. GO is a POP system and anyone with a Metropass who paid a lower fare due to it can simply be ignored by authorities as they know there was no intent for a free ride. When Presto is {finally} brought in 100% then they can start a stronger enforcement regime.
As far as already having a Metropass or paid token, that is a non-issue in terms of integration. GO is a POP system and anyone with a Metropass who paid a lower fare due to it can simply be ignored by authorities as they know there was no intent for a free ride. When Presto is {finally} brought in 100% then they can start a stronger enforcement regime.
nfitz
Superstar
Perhaps not per se, but if I was to go from Toronto to Mississauga normally, I would pay $3 to TTC and $3 to Miway. Total $6.
But if I was to take GO from Danforth to Port Credit, with TTC/Miway connections on each end, it then rises by the $8.17 (gosh - it's only one streetcar and one bus from the Beaches!). Total fare = $14.17.
Currently those with no passes using Miway to/from GO only pay 80¢ instead of $3, so the fare is really now $11.97. Now this addtional $1.50 discount on TTC drops it to $10.47.
Meanwhile if one goes from Danforth to say Woodine racetrack with TTC at both ends (I've done this sort of with alcohol involved so I didn't want to drive ... though the final leg was a rare twice-a-day GO bus from Etobicoke North) the GO fare is ... odd, only $4.71 plus $6 TTC. $10.71 ... which now drops to $7.71.
Hmm ... what if you go through Malton instead, which has better bus connections to Woodbine. Adds 6 km, so $4.71 becomes ... $7.06 (fare by distance my ass). And Google transit breaks .... https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/Danf...6467!2m2!1d-79.6037071!2d43.7162192!3e3?hl=en
To hell with it ... I'm driving ...
amnesiajune
Senior Member
I don't think there's any point in this. The Richmond Hill Line will never amount to much more than a miniature commuter railway. It's never going to get all-day service because its inevitably going to be duplicated by a Yonge subway extension. Who will want to take the TTC to Leslie and then the Go Train to Union, when the time saved (assuming the destination is Union Station) is about the same as the time it takes to walk between the two stations even if there is a tunnel built, and you have to wait for the train to arrive?
For both the city and the province, it's a much better use of resources to expand the parking lot at Oriole so more people will take the train during rush hour rather than driving down the DVP. While they're at it, maybe add a direct entrance from the 401 eastbound off-ramp to the parking lot.
nfitz
Superstar
They could do both. The platform could easily have the parking lot at the south end, and a much better connection to Leslie at the north end. It doesn't even have to be a massive overblown extension. Just extend the platform over Esther Shiner towards Leslie Station, and build a short tunnel under the bus lane (and perhaps under the tracks too for a second platform - wasn't there a plan to do that for a new building anyway?) and then exits an outside pathway, that's a short walk to the north end of the 310-metre long GO platform. (it's about 290 metres from the north end of the existing platform, to the south end of the Leslie TTC parking lot).
muller877
Senior Member
Oriole GO is still the old school station. A bit of paving and a small building. What would work better is for a land swap between the city, a developer and GO.
1. Fix the maze of streets and overpasses that exist right now at Sheppard/Leslie
2. Move about 1/2 of the Oriole Work Yard to where the GO parking is now (under the 401).
3. Replace 1/2 of the Oriole Yard (north end) with condos/retail (and have GO parking under the condo).
4. move the Oriole go so it is North of Esther Shiner and south of Sheppard
(#2 and #3 are optional)
BMO
Senior Member
For people who work downtown it's a great opportunity to have express RER style access to downtown or rapid midtown access via the subway. Even if it will be a "miniature commuter railway" having a better connection will UNDOUBTEDLY lead to more transit use a a dispersion of traffic away from Yonge Subway South, whether it's thousands or hundreds it'll still be a benefit to the network as a whole. I also imagine it's got to be a fairly easy to make this into a quick win project for the Metrolinx. It doesn't seem like there will be a need for extensive construction to make this happen?
mdrejhon
Senior Member
About time. This will impact me too.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Official News Release, from this link:
Ontario Lowering the Cost of Transit
Province Cutting Cost to Ride the TTC in Half for People Paying to Ride GO Transit and UP Express
Now, what about a discount fare between the other transit agencies? IE. MiWay and TTC.
Ontario Lowering the Cost of Transit
Province Cutting Cost to Ride the TTC in Half for People Paying to Ride GO Transit and UP Express
Now, what about a discount fare between the other transit agencies? IE. MiWay and TTC.