GO Transit: Union Station Shed Replacement & Track Upgrades (Zeidler)

[jamincan]

Aren't they supposed to be cleaning up the old train shed as well? That could actually make quite a big difference.

 

[vegeta_skyline]

3rd in Can/US after Penn Station and Grand Central; and there is a good chance that by 2020 it will have more users than Grand Central even without REX type service.

I know its not always the best source but based on the numbers from Wikipedia, its already at #2 with 200,000 passengers per day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Station_(Toronto)#cite_note-makeover-0
vs 300,000 at Penn station
and 140,000 at Grand Central
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Station_(New_York_City)

 

[ShonTron]

More pics from yesterday, September 10, after disembarking from the Northlander:

 

[rbt]

I know its not always the best source but based on the numbers from Wikipedia, its already at #2 with 200,000 passengers per day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Station_(Toronto)#cite_note-makeover-0
vs 300,000 at Penn station
and 140,000 at Grand Central
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Station_(New_York_City)

Those Wiki numbers are just commutter rail. Toss in underground and IIRC Grand Central's real number was about 350,000 to 400,000 passengers using the station. Lots of transfers between underground lines.

TTC only adds about 70,000 to Union (LRT and Subway).

Also, the LIRR project will boost Grand Central's commutter numbers significantly in 2016.

 

[someMidTowner]

Sept 11:

 

[vegeta_skyline]

Those Wiki numbers are just commutter rail. Toss in underground and IIRC Grand Central's real number was about 350,000 to 400,000 passengers using the station. Lots of transfers between underground lines.

TTC only adds about 70,000 to Union (LRT and Subway).

Also, the LIRR project will boost Grand Central's commutter numbers significantly in 2016.

I see, I thought you we just referring to commuter rail traffic.
Even still its pretty close right now. Union station serves 200,000 commuter rail passengers and 100,000 TTC passengers(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_(TTC)) for a combined total of about 300,000.

Here's the numbers for NYC's busiest subways;
http://www.visualnews.com/2012/03/28/stopping-traffic-the-busiest-nyc-subway-stops/?view=infographic
If you add Grand Central's subway & commuter rail numbers it would be a little under 300,000.
But in terms of total commuter passengers of all types Union station isn't even Toronto's busiest.

The Bloor-Yonge subway station would take that honor as it serves over 400,000 people per day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloor-Yonge_(TTC)
As far as I know no other subway station in North America comes close. So if were counting subway traffic it would put it in second place on a list of the busiest stations in North America. In any case it'll be interesting to see just how much those figures will change in the future.

 

[rbt]

Here's the numbers for NYC's busiest subways;
http://www.visualnews.com/2012/03/28/stopping-traffic-the-busiest-nyc-subway-stops/?view=infographic
If you add Grand Central's subway & commuter rail numbers it would be a little under 300,000.

The numbers in this report do not include transfers to other subway lines. It's entry/exit to the station (including Bus Transfers).

Here is the report that graphic is based on: http://www.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/

The Bloor-Yonge subway station would take that honor as it serves over 400,000 people per day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloor-Yonge_(TTC)

This number is 80% (or more) in transfers.

My gut feel (I have no numbers) tells me that stations like Times Square and Herald Square may be in the 500,000 to 1 million passengers per day if you counted transfers the same way as TTC has for Bloor/Yonge. Only a small percentage of the people corridors actually seem to leave the station.

 

[nfitz]

Thanks RBT. That makes more sense. Something seemed inconsistent somewhere, but I couldn't put my finger on it, based on what I've seen in those NYC stations.

 

[androiduk]

 

[nfitz]

Is that copper that will oxidize?

 

[BMO]

Is that copper that will oxidize?

Doesn't all copper oxidize? I'd imagine it is meant to oxidize as per usual to retain the heritage feeling, while at the same time improving the structural aspects of those portions.

 

[DavidJamesTO]

I think some places are treating their copper installations to block oxidization. One outlet development in Windsor has had original-colour copper for about fifteen years without the slightest change in colour. I thought oxidization was the whole point of using copper, but what do I know?

 

[vegeta_skyline]

This number is 80% (or more) in transfers.

My gut feel (I have no numbers) tells me that stations like Times Square and Herald Square may be in the 500,000 to 1 million passengers per day if you counted transfers the same way as TTC has for Bloor/Yonge. Only a small percentage of the people corridors actually seem to leave the station.

Interesting, I wonder why it is that ridership numbers are calculated so differently by the TTC vs their American counterparts.

 

[jamincan]

If you go to the original source, the TTC didn't calculate ridership for the combined station. It was only showing the number of people using each platform individually. Someone on wikipedia added them together to get their number. It should probably be removed since I think that technically qualifies as original research and is thus verboten.

 

[nfitz]

The patent allowed for glass roof panels over the platforms, and this is what the original designs for Toronto's station called for. These were deleted from the plans before construction started.

So what are we getting when all is said and done in 2016 or so? More glass would make the place less dire.