Metroscapes
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Yeah 'cause they've been taking my comments and suggestions for the 21 bus seriously. /s
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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
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Dan416
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There is no solution for the 21. They need to pay CP and build another 2 tracks along the Milton line, period. Even after midnight, the 21 bus still gets stuck in Gardiner traffic. And I really don't see anyone at Metrolinx having the creativity to really make any road network changes to help the 21 bus (or any GO bus going that way) to get going any faster.
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In the meantime, the Milton/Lisgar/Meadowvale branches of the 21 should probably go to Bramalea GO via Highway 407.
T3G
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Oakville was also a good bet. But wasn't the whole reason why they cancelled that service in the first place because lots of people complained at having to transfer? (Apparently, having to sit in traffic and waste oodles of time is fine, as long as you don't have to get up and walk any distance). A diversion to Bramalea would set off the same chain of complaints again.
drum118
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It would add a huge amount of extra traveling time for riders as it is totally out of the way more for Bramalea than Oakville. Seen few to no riders of Go buses arriving arriving departing Kipling terminal.
As it ben stated time after time, time to 4 track the Milton Line regardless the cost and able to have 2 way service 7 days a week using a 4-6 car train off peak and weekends. Service is hourly until the ridership is there to go to 30 minutes
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KillAllTeammates
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I'm new to this forum and not able to determine whether you are speaking sarcastically
christine
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Maybe last weekend was special but in the early afternoon I saw 23 people board a 25K and 11 people board a 29 bus at the Kipling Bus Terminal.
LNahid2000
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The problem is with how GO times their transfers. There's around 15 minutes of padding in the schedule, and the bus is scheduled to arrive at the station 15 minutes before the train's departure. Since there usually isn't much traffic on the route, this means you end up waiting the maximum possible amount of time to transfer to an every 30 minute train. I sometimes take the 12B from Niagara and it works the same way. If there's no traffic, you'll be able to make the 30 minute earlier train if you run.
T3G
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It's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if you add insufficient padding to the schedule, you run the risk of the passengers missing the train. The real question we need to be asking is why - for the love of God, why - we still haven't gotten back 15 minute service on Lakeshore West...
anb
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This is an idea that I’ve also thought of a lot. As Bramalea is well connected to a lot of key places in the GTA with many direct bus routes, it also helps connect Milton to even more destinations, and helps with the flexibility of where in Toronto the rider is heading to.
Going to Bramalea could possibly also be a quicker trip for some. Going North York/Scarborough? take the 41 to Highway 407 station or to Consumers Rd or STC. Going Midtown or Downtown? take the 36 to Yorkdale/York Mills or the GO Train depending on the location.
Both the 25K and 29 are a duplication of service alongside MiWay and the Transitway from Kipling to Winston Churchill so that is probably a huge factor in why there aren’t much riders boarding. It also costs more to use GO between those 2 points than to just use the Miway 109 bus at a flat fare. If the 21 went to Kipling, there is the fact that it would be serving Milton GO line stations so the ridership pattern would be completely different.
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reaperexpress
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Yes technically the GO bus is more expensive but the fare difference between GO and MiWay is only $0.30. I just take whatever shows up first, and if it's a GO bus I'm happy to pay the extra 30 cents to get much more comfortable seats and a slightly faster trip.
For a trip Square One - Kipling - Union on Presto:
Miway+TTC costs $3.40 (MiWay ticket + free transfer)
GO+TTC costs $3.70 (GO fare + free transfer)
Going the other way it's a $0.35 difference since TTC costs $3.35.
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reaperexpress
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Most people don't want a trip that has a 10% chance of missed connection. That's too risky for them. They want a predictable trip that gets them to their destination at the time the schedule said it would. Basically the transfer time should be however much is needed to make sure that the bus always makes the connection unless there is a highly exceptional delay.
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EnviroTO
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I'm between these two statements. I'd rather have a 90% chance of a less than 10 minute wait than an almost 100% chance of a 30 minute wait... but there is a limit to how late something can be. I would think 30 minutes late is too late for any local trip... even at a rare 1% of the time because for a local service it means being late to work, late to an event, etc. For the 10% chance of being late the late time acceptable for an intercity probably extends to 1h to 1h30, for long haul maybe 2-3h.