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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

My guess is that the readers are rolled out to the TTC last because you really don’t want your biggest customer with the widest variability of needs to be the test bed. Ideally you’ll have knocked out the issues earlier by trialing new equipment and software on smaller providers.

The TTC could also be a bit more resistant to changing readers without testing and their own ‘certification’ process as well - I don’t know. Hopefully someone in the know will educate us.
 
kalis0490 said:
Someone made a new Video on Youtube about London GO. Seems like a decent number of people got off at Stratford.
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Now that is a fun fact
 
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anb said:
Its been talked about quite a bit here but the backstory of how the 21 doesn’t go to Union anymore has to do with last summer. Traffic was insufferable on weekends to the point where getting into downtown took almost 2 hours to get into and there was also construction near the Union bus terminal at that time which made matters worse. 21 buses were then all rerouted to detour to Port Credit, along with 31 buses as well (this was way before the Kitchener weekend train service started), which made matters even worse because of the Hurontario LRT construction and QEW traffic.

So GO earlier this year gave their solution to this problem by these Milton bus reroutings and finally introducing the Kitchener corridor weekend trains. These buses going to the LSW stations were nice at first but now its only useful going anywhere else in the GTA but DT Toronto which is obviously where most people are going and where most of the complaints come from when discussing the Milton corridor bus reroutings. The connections to the 407 corridor buses and the LSW trains actually do work out well though.
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The thing is, we already have a REALLY solid connection from the 407 to the lakeshore in the form of GO bus # 56, which is Oshawa - Oakville via the 407 corridor. And it’s a route I undoubtedly utilize a lot. But I especially find route 21C to be the most redundant as the corridor it utilizes is 100% covered by mi-way. (And is the easiest to continue running into union). But my main question is why the 16 was allowed to survive even though it’s easier to convert into a train and takes the exact same congested routes the 21 did. Either keep all or keep none! I’m hoping we’ll have some sort of improvement with service over the next year or so, even a bus from kipling terminal that serves the milton line stations would be a massive improvement compared to the hourly mess we have to deal with nowadays.
 
turbanplanner said:
Hopefully I'm not going off topic but why did they go from 2 to 1? I can't remember if 2 was for reliability or train length.
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They used 2 for reliability due to the age of the F59 locomotives.

They switched to 1 after it was found there were potential loading point issues at Union Station, and thus an edict was made to restrict GO Trains from running doubleheader.
 
RS3488 said:
They used 2 for reliability due to the age of the F59 locomotives.
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It was for reliability, but it had nothing to do with the F59s or their age. If they were able to, they would have run 2 MP40s on those runs.

The idea was that the run was so distant from GO's core network that it would have taken hours and hours to get support out to rescue a stuck train. So, the hope was that by using two locos that the second could limp the train somewhere convenient, or even to the end of the line if need be.

Of course, this doesn't take into account issues that have arisen and that would preclude the second loco from being useful to limp the train along.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
It was for reliability, but it had nothing to do with the F59s or their age. If they were able to, they would have run 2 MP40s on those runs.

The idea was that the run was so distant from GO's core network that it would have taken hours and hours to get support out to rescue a stuck train. So, the hope was that by using two locos that the second could limp the train somewhere convenient, or even to the end of the line if need be.

Of course, this doesn't take into account issues that have arisen and that would preclude the second loco from being useful to limp the train along.

Dan
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Did anything go wrong in practice?
 
peelregionrails said:
The thing is, we already have a REALLY solid connection from the 407 to the lakeshore in the form of GO bus # 56, which is Oshawa - Oakville via the 407 corridor. And it’s a route I undoubtedly utilize a lot. But I especially find route 21C to be the most redundant as the corridor it utilizes is 100% covered by mi-way. (And is the easiest to continue running into union). But my main question is why the 16 was allowed to survive even though it’s easier to convert into a train and takes the exact same congested routes the 21 did. Either keep all or keep none! I’m hoping we’ll have some sort of improvement with service over the next year or so, even a bus from kipling terminal that serves the milton line stations would be a massive improvement compared to the hourly mess we have to deal with nowadays.
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Well if they made the 56 run on weekends it would be a lot more better for the region and less need for these 21 detours. In fact there is absolutely no reason why they can't run it as the entire routing of the 56 is fully served by 3 different buses on weekends. If it did happen, hopefully they also allow the 21 buses to head to different transit hubs in Toronto instead (407, Yorkdale, Kipling, etc).

The 16 is still here because there is no fast and sustainable connection from Toronto to Hamilton,. If there were all day Union-Hamilton Centre trains and it ran stops like the Niagara train, then thats where the 16 would become redundant. A lot of people prefer this bus because it is a downtown to downtown option that goes directly to/from each other non stop (minus the local stops in Hamilton).
 
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