GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

Allandale25 · Aug 15, 2019

^ Would they ever consider adding a layover siding in Guelph or would it make more sense to add/upgrade sidings between Guelph and Kitchener to eliminate the conflict?

Streety McCarface · Aug 15, 2019

smallspy said:
No. Due to the timing of CN's wayfreight to Kitchener, it was decided that this train would end its run at Guelph, and thus have lots of time to make its way to the Shirley Layover without having to worry about a schedule. If it needs to sit and wait for the CN crew to finish its work, it can.

Dan

Is CN really not willing to shift their Huron Park operations to midday or later in the night? And arent they already running waterloo spur trains after 1 pm?

smallspy · Aug 16, 2019

Allandale25 said:
^ Would they ever consider adding a layover siding in Guelph or would it make more sense to add/upgrade sidings between Guelph and Kitchener to eliminate the conflict?

I don't think that a layover siding will ever be necessary in Guelph, but the plan/hope is that with better track and additional, signalized sidings that meets can be planned where none can happen today.

Streety McCarface said:
Is CN really not willing to shift their Huron Park operations to midday or later in the night? And arent they already running waterloo spur trains after 1 pm?

Midday won't help, as there will now be GO trains running.

And they can't run them later in the night - as it is now the current train is scheduled to depart MacMillan Yard at 10.30pm or so, and only barely makes it out of Kitchener in time for the first GO of the morning.

Just like with many other problems, the best solution to this is more track (and signals).

Dan

Allandale25 · Aug 16, 2019

^ Mo track less problems.

mb4wong · Aug 17, 2019

Anyone know if the new schedule has affected existing through services in anyway (new or reduced?)

ack · Aug 18, 2019

mb4wong said:
Anyone know if the new schedule has affected existing through services in anyway (new or reduced?)

Here's a list of added and removed through runs.

From	Dep	Arr Union	Dep old	To old	Dep new	To new
Lakeshore West
Appleby	8:31	9:28			9:33	Oshawa
Aldershot	13:01	14:11			14:13	Oshawa
Oakville	14:11	14:56	15:10	Richmond Hill	14:58	Oshawa
Kitchener
Mt Pleasant	9:55	9:46	10:15	Mount Joy
Mt Pleasant	16:00	16:47	16:50	Oshawa
Bramalea	18:14	18:51			19:10	Milton
Bramalea	19:14	19:51			20:15	Mount Joy
Mt Pleasant	20:00	20:51			21:15	Mount Joy
Barrie
Allandale	7:18	9:03	9:33	Oshawa
Bradford	8:17	9:33	9:48	Mt Pleasant
Aurora	21:40	22:33			22:53	Guelph
Stouffville
Mount Joy	21:31	22:27			22:40	Bradford
Lakeshore East
Oshawa	7:50	8:42			8:55	Mt Pleasant
Oshawa	13:53	14:46	14:53	Mt Pleasant
Oshawa	14:08	15:11	15:40	Allandale	15:13	Aldershot
Oshawa	15:36	16:38	16:40	Aldershot	16:45	West Harbour
Oshawa	16:11	17:12	17:30	Gormley	17:27	Kitchener
Oshawa	16:48	17:50			18:00	Gormley
Oshawa	19:00	19:45			19:53	Mt Pleasant
Weekends
Niagara Falls	11:30	13:34			14:00	Aurora
Aurora	15:00	15:53			16:18	Niagara Falls

TransitBart · Aug 18, 2019

So it's not like a great huge order of bi-level cars or locomotives just arrived. How many more times can GO do this before someone says, "we need more equipment."

Neutrino · Aug 18, 2019

I thought GO had been receiving small, but consistent car and loco orders for incremental fleet growth?

dowlingm · Aug 18, 2019

TransitBart said:
So it's not like a great huge order of bi-level cars or locomotives just arrived. How many more times can GO do this before someone says, "we need more equipment."

I noted some references to services being six packs - are they chopping up lightly used 12 packs now that more Tier 4 locos are available, maybe hanging onto the F59s too?

Krypto98 · Aug 18, 2019

dowlingm said:
I noted some references to services being six packs - are they chopping up lightly used 12 packs now that more Tier 4 locos are available, maybe hanging onto the F59s too?

They have 6 F59 locomotives, 16 tier 4 with 10 more on the way , and 65 mp40s

So 87 now and 97 soon. 81 and 91 if they let go of the f59

robmausser · Aug 18, 2019

TransitBart said:
So it's not like a great huge order of bi-level cars or locomotives just arrived. How many more times can GO do this before someone says, "we need more equipment."

A lot can still be done, specifically weekend service. Those trains just sit there on the weekend

crs1026 · Aug 18, 2019

robmausser said:
A lot can still be done, specifically weekend service. Those trains just sit there on the weekend

And at midday, too. Only at peak is the fleet fully utilized. There is plenty of equipment available for midday/evening service..
The other limiting factor is crews, and BBD has been training lots of new crews.

- Paul

mb4wong · Aug 19, 2019

ack said:
Here's a list of added and removed through runs.

From Dep Arr Union Dep old To old Dep new To new
Lakeshore West

Appleby
8:31
9:28
9:33
Oshawa
Aldershot
13:01
14:11
14:13
Oshawa
Oakville
14:11
14:56
15:10
Richmond Hill
14:58
Oshawa
Kitchener

Mt Pleasant
9:55
9:46
10:15
Mount Joy
Mt Pleasant
16:00
16:47
16:50
Oshawa
Bramalea
18:14
18:51

19:10
Milton
Bramalea
19:14
19:51
20:15
Mount Joy
Mt Pleasant
20:00
20:51
21:15
Mount Joy
Barrie

Allandale
7:18
9:03
9:33
Oshawa
Bradford
8:17
9:33
9:48
Mt Pleasant
Aurora
21:40
22:33
22:53
Guelph
Stouffville

Mount Joy
21:31
22:27
22:40
Bradford
Lakeshore East

Oshawa
7:50
8:42
8:55
Mt Pleasant
Oshawa
13:53
14:46
14:53
Mt Pleasant
Oshawa
14:08
15:11
15:40
Allandale
15:13
Aldershot
Oshawa
15:36
16:38
16:40
Aldershot
16:45
West Harbour
Oshawa
16:11
17:12
17:30
Gormley
17:27
Kitchener
Oshawa
16:48
17:50
18:00
Gormley
Oshawa
19:00
19:45
19:53
Mt Pleasant
Weekends

Niagara Falls
11:30
13:34
14:00
Aurora
Aurora
15:00
15:53
16:18
Niagara Falls

Thanks for this - sad to see that the old 15:46 from Unionville to Kitchener is gone. That used to complete my commute.

Also - how did you construct this?

smallspy · Aug 19, 2019

TransitBart said:
So it's not like a great huge order of bi-level cars or locomotives just arrived. How many more times can GO do this before someone says, "we need more equipment."

They've received almost 200 new cars over the past 2 years. That's not "huge"?

Krypto98 said:
They have 6 F59 locomotives, 16 tier 4 with 10 more on the way , and 65 mp40s

So 87 now and 97 soon. 81 and 91 if they let go of the f59

8 F59s, and the 16 Tier 4 locos are now entering service. But there aren't 10 more coming.

Dan

Allandale25 · Aug 19, 2019

mb4wong said:
Thanks for this - sad to see that the old 15:46 from Unionville to Kitchener is gone. That used to complete my commute.

Also - how did you construct this?

I haven't experience this before on a non-Lakeshore line but I assume for trains like this one:

Aurora

21:40

22:33

22:53

Guelph

...that they let you stay on the train? Or do they say that it's out of service, everyone has to get off and then the passengers for Guelph get on? There are a few trains I've noticed on the chart where there is only about 10 minutes between arrival at Union and departure.

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