GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

[11th]

Really weird that Oriole -> Union went UP in price, but Old Cummer/Langstaff->Oriole went down.

I guess they really want to force people to use the Sheppard Subway to justify its existence.

No worries, us people crammed in on Line 1 will just suck in our guts a bit more...

Oriole to Union is just over 20km, and Langstaff/Old Cummer to Oriole is less than 10km.
What interesting is, YRT/viva to Finch costs $3.75, and GO from Langstaff to Oriole $3.70.

It's not like anyone's transferring at Oriole anyway.

It makes sense if their destination is midtown, and when Oriole finally moves north.

 

[reaperexpress]

The reduction in base fare is of course fantastic news, and frankly it's a bit surprising that the Conservatives followed through with the previous government's plan.

I decided to run some statistics on the new fare tables to see what the new system looks like (full spreadsheet here).

Plotting distance against fares, it looks like the reduction in short trips was implemented in a sort of band-aid manner. Looking for example at the Lakeshore West line, you can see the new $3.70 short trips, and above about 30 km, it looks like the usual slight fare increase tacked onto the existing fare. But between about 15 and 30 km, there is a very steep increase in prices.

The abrupt jump in prices means that trips around 20 km get screwed on a per-km basis, not only being more expensive per-km than longer trips, but also being more expensive per-km than shorter trips. See for example, Port Credit on the Lakeshore West line, or Malton on the Kitchener line:

It's worth noting that this issue already existed in the previous fare system, but has been exacerbated by the new changes.

Here are also the charts for the other lines with sub-10km stations:

Having entered all the data anyway, I decided to see how the lines compare to each other:

The Kitchener line has the most expensive tickets across the board, while the Lakeshore East line tends to be cheapest for short trips, the Richmond Hill line is cheapest for medium-distance trips and the Barrie line is cheapest for long trips. For example, the 101 km trip to Barrie Allandale costs the same as the 80 km trip to Guelph Central. Kitchener is the same distance from Union as Barrie Allandale, but the ticket costs $3.02 more.

A particular anomaly is Weston station. Rather than the $3.90-ish fare you'd expect based on other stations a similar distance from Union, it has a $4.75 fare. Meanwhile on the opposite extreme, we have Eglinton station on the Lakeshore East line, which really should not have a $3.70 trip to Union given the 17 km distance. It really gets a sweet deal compared to Downsview Park, which is exactly the same distance but is receiving a fare increase rather than a $1.32 reduction.

 

[Northern Light]

The reduction in base fare is of course fantastic news, and frankly it's a bit surprising that the Conservatives followed through with the previous government's plan.

I decided to run some statistics on the new fare tables to see what the new system looks like (full spreadsheet here).

Plotting distance against fares, it looks like the reduction in short trips was implemented in a sort of band-aid manner. Looking for example at the Lakeshore West line, you can see the new $3.70 short trips, and above about 30 km, it looks like the usual slight fare increase tacked onto the existing fare. But between about 15 and 30 km, there is a very steep increase in prices.
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The abrupt jump in prices means that trips around 20 km get screwed on a per-km basis, not only being more expensive per-km than longer trips, but also being more expensive per-km than shorter trips. See for example, Port Credit on the Lakeshore West line, or Malton on the Kitchener line:
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It's worth noting that this issue already existed in the previous fare system, but has been exacerbated by the new changes.

Here are also the charts for the other lines with sub-10km stations:
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Having entered all the data anyway, I decided to see how the lines compare to each other:
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The Kitchener line has the most expensive tickets across the board, while the Lakeshore East line tends to be cheapest for short trips, the Richmond Hill line is cheapest for medium-distance trips and the Barrie line is cheapest for long trips. For example, the 101 km trip to Barrie Allandale costs the same as the 80 km trip to Guelph Central. Kitchener is the same distance from Union as Barrie Allandale, but the ticket costs $3.02 more.

A particular anomaly is Weston station. Rather than the $3.90-ish fare you'd expect based on other stations a similar distance from Union, it has a $4.75 fare. Meanwhile on the opposite extreme, we have Eglinton station on the Lakeshore East line, which really should not have a $3.70 trip to Union given the 17 km distance. It really gets a sweet deal compared to Downsview Park, which is exactly the same distance but is receiving a fare increase rather than a $1.32 reduction.
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'Like' generally says enough..........but I just want to tack on here how much I appreciate the effort you put into your analysis; which I always find intriguing and insightful!

 

[DonValleyRainbow]

The reduction in base fare is of course fantastic news, and frankly it's a bit surprising that the Conservatives followed through with the previous government's plan.

I decided to run some statistics on the new fare tables to see what the new system looks like (full spreadsheet here).

Plotting distance against fares, it looks like the reduction in short trips was implemented in a sort of band-aid manner. Looking for example at the Lakeshore West line, you can see the new $3.70 short trips, and above about 30 km, it looks like the usual slight fare increase tacked onto the existing fare. But between about 15 and 30 km, there is a very steep increase in prices.
View attachment 181475

The abrupt jump in prices means that trips around 20 km get screwed on a per-km basis, not only being more expensive per-km than longer trips, but also being more expensive per-km than shorter trips. See for example, Port Credit on the Lakeshore West line, or Malton on the Kitchener line:
View attachment 181479

View attachment 181478
It's worth noting that this issue already existed in the previous fare system, but has been exacerbated by the new changes.

Here are also the charts for the other lines with sub-10km stations:
View attachment 181473
View attachment 181474
View attachment 181476

Having entered all the data anyway, I decided to see how the lines compare to each other:
View attachment 181472

The Kitchener line has the most expensive tickets across the board, while the Lakeshore East line tends to be cheapest for short trips, the Richmond Hill line is cheapest for medium-distance trips and the Barrie line is cheapest for long trips. For example, the 101 km trip to Barrie Allandale costs the same as the 80 km trip to Guelph Central. Kitchener is the same distance from Union as Barrie Allandale, but the ticket costs $3.02 more.

A particular anomaly is Weston station. Rather than the $3.90-ish fare you'd expect based on other stations a similar distance from Union, it has a $4.75 fare. Meanwhile on the opposite extreme, we have Eglinton station on the Lakeshore East line, which really should not have a $3.70 trip to Union given the 17 km distance. It really gets a sweet deal compared to Downsview Park, which is exactly the same distance but is receiving a fare increase rather than a $1.32 reduction.
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This is some amazing visualization work, thank you for this!

 

[WislaHD]

Question: What happens to the existing Oshawa GO station when the Bowmanville Extension is built?

 

[innsertnamehere]

it stays. Only a few peak hour trains are planned to go to Bowmanville - 15 minute service will continue to Oshawa.

 

[Fritter]

Question: What happens to the existing Oshawa GO station when the Bowmanville Extension is built?

I have no official information, but my gut feeling is that we will see a similar split at the east end of the system that we see developing at the west end of the system. Just as we see service to both the Hamilton GO Centre and West Harbour(with the eventual extension to Niagara) we will see service to Oshawa station, as well as service to Thornton's Corners with the eventual extension to Bowmanville. I cannot see the millions spent on the recent new building at Oshawa to abandon it within a few years, nor can I see them give up on the muti-modal connection at Oshawa with VIA

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

I have no official information, but my gut feeling is that we will see a similar split at the east end of the system that we see developing at the west end of the system. Just as we see service to both the Hamilton GO Centre and West Harbour(with the eventual extension to Niagara) we will see service to Oshawa station, as well as service to Thornton's Corners with the eventual extension to Bowmanville. I cannot see the millions spent on the recent new building at Oshawa to abandon it within a few years, nor can I see them give up on the muti-modal connection at Oshawa with VIA

Hopefully one day the demand means that Hamilton, West Harbour and Thorton's Corners get the same service as the rest of the respective line.

 

[crs1026]

^Bowmanville is one of those expectation things that is getting muddied up as it is discussed. If you go back to the EA, it was only ever intended to be five or so peak trains. It was not included in RER and remains an ‘addendum’ to that plan (and RER is not imminent).
Politicians have made it sound otherwise, but the official plans and even the promises haven’t changed that. 2WAD GO will terminate at the recently built station shared with VIA.
- Paul

 

[robmausser]

A particular anomaly is Weston station. Rather than the $3.90-ish fare you'd expect based on other stations a similar distance from Union, it has a $4.75 fare. Meanwhile on the opposite extreme, we have Eglinton station on the Lakeshore East line, which really should not have a $3.70 trip to Union given the 17 km distance. It really gets a sweet deal compared to Downsview Park, which is exactly the same distance but is receiving a fare increase rather than a $1.32 reduction.

Thats because those stations arent on the LakeMETROLINXShore Line. Gods gift and crown jewel to the world, according to Metrolinx. Cant wait for 1 minute frequencies on the line coming soon! Just one super long bilevel diesel that streches the entire length of the lakeshore system and constantly moves. We will just steal the trains from the other lines, no one uses those lines anyways, and those who do are heathens and ungodly.

 

[Neutrino]

Thats because those stations arent on the LakeMETROLINXShore Line. Gods gift and crown jewel to the world, according to Metrolinx. Cant wait for 1 minute frequencies on the line coming soon! Just one super long bilevel diesel that streches the entire length of the lakeshore system and constantly moves. We will just steal the trains from the other lines, no one uses those lines anyways, and those who do are heathens and ungodly.

JFC get a grip. As someone pointed out previously, they upgrade LS because it's low hanging fruit, not out of malice.

 

[DonValleyRainbow]

Whoa, can we dial it back a bit?

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

Thats because those stations arent on the LakeMETROLINXShore Line. Gods gift and crown jewel to the world, according to Metrolinx. Cant wait for 1 minute frequencies on the line coming soon! Just one super long bilevel diesel that streches the entire length of the lakeshore system and constantly moves. We will just steal the trains from the other lines, no one uses those lines anyways, and those who do are heathens and ungodly.

This is 100 percent true ? How dare they only care for the Lake of the Shore of the GO,

 

[union2pearson]

Ontario Adds New Express GO Trains on the Lakeshore East Line

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

April 16, 2019 10:00 A.M.
Ministry of Transportation

TORONTO—Today, Transportation Minister Jeff Yurek announced new express GO Train service on the Lakeshore East line that will offer more choice for transit users and commuters travelling from Oshawa, Whitby, Ajax and Pickering starting tomorrow.
"Ontario's government is putting people first by investing in public transit to shorten commutes and get people moving faster, so that they can spend more time on what matters most to them," Yurek said.
The new express train service is in addition to improvements our government introduced including:

• 15-minute midday service between Oshawa GO Station and Union Station from Monday to Friday, representing a total of 27 new train trips and a doubling of midday, weekday service.
• The opening of new Park and Ride lots in Durham Region to make it easier for commuters and transit users in Oshawa and Courtice to connect with the GO Train at Oshawa GO.
• Allowing kids 12 and under to ride free on GO Transit.

"By offering more trips when customers need them most, we're making GO an even better fit for our customers' busy lives," said Phil Verster, President and CEO of Metrolinx. "We are growing services for our customers every few months and we are committed to continuously improving how we serve the communities that rely on us each and every day."
"When we build and invest in transportation, we're getting people to work, to home, to friend, and family faster - these are the things that matter - making life easier and making Ontarians more productive," said Yurek.
Trip details:

• A new weekday morning express GO Train leaving from Oshawa GO Station at 7:50 a.m., then serving Whitby, Ajax and Pickering GO stations before arriving at Union at 8:42 a.m. This train will have 12 cars.
• The return trip will leave Union Station at 4:50 p.m., running express to Pickering GO Station, then stopping at Ajax and Whitby GO stations before arriving at Oshawa GO Station at 5:43 p.m. This train will also have 12 coaches.

 

[Northern Light]

Ontario Adds New Express GO Trains on the Lakeshore East Line

Ontario Newsroom

news.ontario.ca

April 16, 2019 10:00 A.M.
Ministry of Transportation

TORONTO—Today, Transportation Minister Jeff Yurek announced new express GO Train service on the Lakeshore East line that will offer more choice for transit users and commuters travelling from Oshawa, Whitby, Ajax and Pickering starting tomorrow.
"Ontario's government is putting people first by investing in public transit to shorten commutes and get people moving faster, so that they can spend more time on what matters most to them," Yurek said.
The new express train service is in addition to improvements our government introduced including:

• 15-minute midday service between Oshawa GO Station and Union Station from Monday to Friday, representing a total of 27 new train trips and a doubling of midday, weekday service.
• The opening of new Park and Ride lots in Durham Region to make it easier for commuters and transit users in Oshawa and Courtice to connect with the GO Train at Oshawa GO.
• Allowing kids 12 and under to ride free on GO Transit.

"By offering more trips when customers need them most, we're making GO an even better fit for our customers' busy lives," said Phil Verster, President and CEO of Metrolinx. "We are growing services for our customers every few months and we are committed to continuously improving how we serve the communities that rely on us each and every day."
"When we build and invest in transportation, we're getting people to work, to home, to friend, and family faster - these are the things that matter - making life easier and making Ontarians more productive," said Yurek.
Trip details:

• A new weekday morning express GO Train leaving from Oshawa GO Station at 7:50 a.m., then serving Whitby, Ajax and Pickering GO stations before arriving at Union at 8:42 a.m. This train will have 12 cars.
• The return trip will leave Union Station at 4:50 p.m., running express to Pickering GO Station, then stopping at Ajax and Whitby GO stations before arriving at Oshawa GO Station at 5:43 p.m. This train will also have 12 coaches.

1......count'em....err....it...............1 new express train getting the Del Duca treatment.

Look at all that verbiage for 1 new train......