GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

[Bojaxs]

....in exchange for building a second GTA intermodal terminal out in the Greenbelt someplace?

- Paul

The 413 heads directly towards CPKC's existing intermodal facility.

Ontario government can negotiate to allow CPKC to build a switching yard north of Brampton equal in size to the Lambton yard. Land swap deal between Ontario government and CPKC.

 

[turbanplanner]

probably talked about scotch as well

 

[max]

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Did Dougie have a painting commissioned of his brother in front of a staticy TV screen?

 

[crs1026]

More seriously, it's interesting to speculate on what messages CPKC would want to send to Ontario and what messages Ontario would want to send CPKC. This flows more into General Railway discussion than GO Transit, but I will leave it here.

Ontario:
- Milton Line (it's effectively a Ford promise at this point)
- Service to the auto industry and new plants in the works
- GO to Peterborough and Bolton
- Landswapping to advance GO
- Service to industries on line (jobs at stake, highway usage)

CPKC:
- We don't mind running GO if the price is right, but ML are idiots
- Reality check on using CPKC lines for GO Transit
- Reality check on rerouting or coproducing with CN (hint: stay away)
- Need for yard facilities in particular places
- Need for grade separations and security in particular places - not our fault if people get hit etc
- Desire for subsidy to build into auto industry locations
- Desire for subsidy for just about anything you might mention
- Desire for transload in preference to retaining spurs and branchlines and local switching

Just spitballing here, I have no inside info. Main thing is, CP may have an agenda that extends beyond GTA or GO.

- Paul

 

[turbanplanner]

More seriously, it's interesting to speculate on what messages CPKC would want to send to Ontario and what messages Ontario would want to send CPKC. This flows more into General Railway discussion than GO Transit, but I will leave it here.

Ontario:
- Milton Line (it's effectively a Ford promise at this point)
- Service to the auto industry and new plants in the works
- GO to Peterborough and Bolton
- Landswapping to advance GO
- Service to industries on line (jobs at stake, highway usage)

CPKC:
- We don't mind running GO if the price is right, but ML are idiots
- Reality check on using CPKC lines for GO Transit
- Reality check on rerouting or coproducing with CN (hint: stay away)
- Need for yard facilities in particular places
- Need for grade separations and security in particular places - not our fault if people get hit etc
- Desire for subsidy to build into auto industry locations
- Desire for subsidy for just about anything you might mention
- Desire for transload in preference to retaining spurs and branchlines and local switching

Just spitballing here, I have no inside info. Main thing is, CP may have an agenda that extends beyond GTA or GO.

- Paul

What do you mean by coproducing?

 

[crs1026]

What do you mean by coproducing?

Basically, two or more railroads sharing a single line or route.

- Paul

 

[Andy_in_Toronto]

One can dream in Ontario regional express train running smoothly at 190km/h:

The tracks are so well built that there are no vibrations. We get DB to run GO trains, but can we get their engineers as well?

 

[Metroscapes]

City worries strip of land critical to Cambridge GO Transit extension could be sold

A consent application to sever a strip of land on the east side of the CN railway tracks in Hespeler has prompted the city and region to object to the idea

www.cambridgetoday.ca

The City / Region are now blocking CN from severing parts of the Fergus Spur.

 

[Northern Light]

City worries strip of land critical to Cambridge GO Transit extension could be sold

A consent application to sever a strip of land on the east side of the CN railway tracks in Hespeler has prompted the city and region to object to the idea

www.cambridgetoday.ca

The City / Region are now blocking CN from severing parts of the Fergus Spur.

From the above:

Of note, the land in question once was a rail station:

 

[urbancog]

We get DB to run GO trains, but can we get their engineers as well?

Because of the consortium structure on Onxpress, it looks like we have engineers who've worked on the Spanish high speed lines rather than lines in Germany. I don't have any first hand experience of those lines but they operate a much higher speeds than we need for GO Expansion.

Leadership Team | ONxpress

Learn how the ONxpress Leadership Team is driving transit development in Ontario as part of the Metrolinx GO Expansion.

onxpress.com

Specifically David Perez, Deputy Director Design and Construction

 

[crs1026]

Of note, the land in question once was a rail station:

Nice historical map available at -

Hespeler Railway Stations

Location: Hespeler (Cambridge), Waterloo Township, Waterloo County Name: Community named in 1858 after the first postmaster, Jacob Hespeler Former Community Names: Bergeytown, New Hope Railway Comp…

ontariorailwaystations.wordpress.com

- Paul

 

[Metroscapes]

From the above:

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Of note, the land in question once was a rail station:

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It also includes a picture of the excavation taking place down there. I had seen what was done on the east side of the road, but the picture seems to be looking west of the road (in the severed parcel area). I find it curious, they seem like drainage works.

 

[Northern Light]

Nice historical map available at -

Hespeler Railway Stations

Location: Hespeler (Cambridge), Waterloo Township, Waterloo County Name: Community named in 1858 after the first postmaster, Jacob Hespeler Former Community Names: Bergeytown, New Hope Railway Comp…

ontariorailwaystations.wordpress.com

- Paul

From the above link:

Picture of station (destroyed by arson 2003)

No photo credit given at source.

Structure built 1900

 

[Coolibop]

More seriously, it's interesting to speculate on what messages CPKC would want to send to Ontario and what messages Ontario would want to send CPKC. This flows more into General Railway discussion than GO Transit, but I will leave it here.

Ontario:
- Milton Line (it's effectively a Ford promise at this point)
- Service to the auto industry and new plants in the works
- GO to Peterborough and Bolton
- Landswapping to advance GO
- Service to industries on line (jobs at stake, highway usage)

CPKC:
- We don't mind running GO if the price is right, but ML are idiots
- Reality check on using CPKC lines for GO Transit
- Reality check on rerouting or coproducing with CN (hint: stay away)
- Need for yard facilities in particular places
- Need for grade separations and security in particular places - not our fault if people get hit etc
- Desire for subsidy to build into auto industry locations
- Desire for subsidy for just about anything you might mention
- Desire for transload in preference to retaining spurs and branchlines and local switching

Just spitballing here, I have no inside info. Main thing is, CP may have an agenda that extends beyond GTA or GO.

- Paul

While we're speculating, I'd add line 4 Sheppard subway to Malvern along their corridor.

 

[rdaner]

I was at the West Harbour GO this afternoon for a 5:15 train back to town and a ton of people got off when the train arrived and over 100 got on. Had no idea it was that well used!