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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

....in exchange for building a second GTA intermodal terminal out in the Greenbelt someplace?

- Paul
The 413 heads directly towards CPKC's existing intermodal facility.

Ontario government can negotiate to allow CPKC to build a switching yard north of Brampton equal in size to the Lambton yard. Land swap deal between Ontario government and CPKC.
 
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More seriously, it's interesting to speculate on what messages CPKC would want to send to Ontario and what messages Ontario would want to send CPKC. This flows more into General Railway discussion than GO Transit, but I will leave it here.

Ontario:
- Milton Line (it's effectively a Ford promise at this point)
- Service to the auto industry and new plants in the works
- GO to Peterborough and Bolton
- Landswapping to advance GO
- Service to industries on line (jobs at stake, highway usage)

CPKC:
- We don't mind running GO if the price is right, but ML are idiots
- Reality check on using CPKC lines for GO Transit
- Reality check on rerouting or coproducing with CN (hint: stay away)
- Need for yard facilities in particular places
- Need for grade separations and security in particular places - not our fault if people get hit etc
- Desire for subsidy to build into auto industry locations
- Desire for subsidy for just about anything you might mention
- Desire for transload in preference to retaining spurs and branchlines and local switching

Just spitballing here, I have no inside info. Main thing is, CP may have an agenda that extends beyond GTA or GO.

- Paul
 
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More seriously, it's interesting to speculate on what messages CPKC would want to send to Ontario and what messages Ontario would want to send CPKC. This flows more into General Railway discussion than GO Transit, but I will leave it here.

Ontario:
- Milton Line (it's effectively a Ford promise at this point)
- Service to the auto industry and new plants in the works
- GO to Peterborough and Bolton
- Landswapping to advance GO
- Service to industries on line (jobs at stake, highway usage)

CPKC:
- We don't mind running GO if the price is right, but ML are idiots
- Reality check on using CPKC lines for GO Transit
- Reality check on rerouting or coproducing with CN (hint: stay away)
- Need for yard facilities in particular places
- Need for grade separations and security in particular places - not our fault if people get hit etc
- Desire for subsidy to build into auto industry locations
- Desire for subsidy for just about anything you might mention
- Desire for transload in preference to retaining spurs and branchlines and local switching

Just spitballing here, I have no inside info. Main thing is, CP may have an agenda that extends beyond GTA or GO.

- Paul
What do you mean by coproducing?
 

The City / Region are now blocking CN from severing parts of the Fergus Spur.

From the above:

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Of note, the land in question once was a rail station:

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We get DB to run GO trains, but can we get their engineers as well?
Because of the consortium structure on Onxpress, it looks like we have engineers who've worked on the Spanish high speed lines rather than lines in Germany. I don't have any first hand experience of those lines but they operate a much higher speeds than we need for GO Expansion.

Specifically David Perez, Deputy Director Design and Construction
 
Of note, the land in question once was a rail station:

Nice historical map available at -


- Paul
 
Nice historical map available at -


- Paul

From the above link:

Picture of station (destroyed by arson 2003)

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No photo credit given at source.

Structure built 1900
 
More seriously, it's interesting to speculate on what messages CPKC would want to send to Ontario and what messages Ontario would want to send CPKC. This flows more into General Railway discussion than GO Transit, but I will leave it here.

Ontario:
- Milton Line (it's effectively a Ford promise at this point)
- Service to the auto industry and new plants in the works
- GO to Peterborough and Bolton
- Landswapping to advance GO
- Service to industries on line (jobs at stake, highway usage)

CPKC:
- We don't mind running GO if the price is right, but ML are idiots
- Reality check on using CPKC lines for GO Transit
- Reality check on rerouting or coproducing with CN (hint: stay away)
- Need for yard facilities in particular places
- Need for grade separations and security in particular places - not our fault if people get hit etc
- Desire for subsidy to build into auto industry locations
- Desire for subsidy for just about anything you might mention
- Desire for transload in preference to retaining spurs and branchlines and local switching

Just spitballing here, I have no inside info. Main thing is, CP may have an agenda that extends beyond GTA or GO.

- Paul
While we're speculating, I'd add line 4 Sheppard subway to Malvern along their corridor.
 

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