T3G
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For the railway challenged among us (me), what exactly happened? I don't know what rule 42 is. Did the crew fail to slow for a workzone?
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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)
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crs1026
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When construction or maintenance crews are working on or close to the tracks, they are protected by “Rule 42” authority, which consists of written instructions to every train outlining where the worrk zone is located. The zone where the work crew has authority to work is marked by flags (metal signs, actually) placed on the tracks. Trains must contact a Foreman who controls movement through the work zone for authority to pass the red flag marking the zone. The Foreman confirms that everyone is clear of the track and that it is safe to pass through the work zone. Until this permission is received, the train has no authority tto proceed and must stop and await clearance from the Foreman.
The point is, this form of protection is entirely manual, with no mechanical backup. The signal system may display proceed indications, but the crew must remember that the work zone is there, must watch for the flags, and must follow the rule book to work with the Foreman.
What can go wrong involves not just the train crew but the Foreman and the written instructions and documentation, and/or the placement and visibility of the flags. So it is important to not just assume that the crew was at fault here. The events and facts have to be determined in some detail before any conclusions are reached. That’s why the crew is taken out of service - and it’s why I would discourage any speculation here on UT. So far, all we know is that an event happened.
- Paul
The point is, this form of protection is entirely manual, with no mechanical backup. The signal system may display proceed indications, but the crew must remember that the work zone is there, must watch for the flags, and must follow the rule book to work with the Foreman.
What can go wrong involves not just the train crew but the Foreman and the written instructions and documentation, and/or the placement and visibility of the flags. So it is important to not just assume that the crew was at fault here. The events and facts have to be determined in some detail before any conclusions are reached. That’s why the crew is taken out of service - and it’s why I would discourage any speculation here on UT. So far, all we know is that an event happened.
- Paul
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smallspy
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The other thing to consider here is.....
The only thing known is that the train proceeded into the Rule 42 limits without permission to do so. Unfortunately, passing the limits as dictated by the GBOs/flags by even a metre is still considered passing through the limits, and will result in the crew getting relieved from service.
At this time, we don't know how far into the Rule 42 limits the train passed. We don't know if the maintenance crew's lives were at risk.
Dan
Krypto98
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Ouch... that's very serious... not gonna speculate anything, though i do know who the forman was for those particular limits but a rule 42 violation is as serious as a rule 439 violation
Allandale25
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Some general references to infrastructure improvements needed.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
If they can run trains every 3 hours then why don't they? It would help with the overcrowding.
Or are some standby busses? Or is excess OT an issue?
reaperexpress
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They do run every 3h to Kitchener on weekdays, just not weekends. I expect they will also run all day to Kitchener on weekends as well once they have enough crews.
crs1026
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On weekdays - After the morning peak service to Toronto (6 trains) there are four GO trains departing Kitchener, at 08:45, 11:45, 14:45, and 20:45. GO trains arrive in Kitchener at 11:21, 14:21, 17:21, then four rush hour trains up to 19:51, and then at 23:21.
That's a significant level of service, but adding any more is unlikely until a great deal of track is added. One wonders what is holding up finalisation of procurement let alone shovels in the ground. The 2-way hourly service plan is well and truly overdue.
- Paul
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They'll continue blaming CN but the yesterday's price is not today's price...
reaperexpress
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Yeah I'm not sure what the holdup is in Acton and Georgetown but there are already shovels in the ground in Breslau and Guelph so it may be best to not have trains on weekends until construction is finished, so that it progresses as quickly as possible.
anb
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Another alternative they could do is run the 17 on weekends with an express branch to KW, and maybe have special express service running from either Kipling or 407 station (25F but skipping Bramalea). This is only for now until weekend trains can fully be implemented. Running different services to KW from hubs around the network can help the choke points at Bramalea and Sq One and not make ridership or customer satisfaction suffer.
Krypto98
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No photos yet... but the dual control switch at Guelph GO and Control location light is now up but not activated... probably control location name will be Guelph but thats to be determined.
Metroscapes
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I'd vote for "Speed River".
TTCdinosaur
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Any rumours on when Stouffville and Barrie off-peak/weekend service are coming back?
anb
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Best bet is probably September. Thinking that they want to get the most done before those lines make a return, including new 30 min service to Unionville (and maybe to Bramalea as well as Stouffville trains interline with the Kitchener line and they also seem ready for 30 min service as well).