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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

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GO Service on LSE restored as of Monday:


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I think there is a mistake in the article. Metrolinx says service resumed today (Sunday, December 5).

 

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I think there is a mistake in the article. Metrolinx says service resumed today (Sunday, December 5).

You are correct. Go even published a schedule for this weekend:

Also, VIA seems to operate via Guildwood again:
 
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Or the intelligence of the 32?
First of all, how long has service been in place as well how do you build ridership??

Again, not everyone is going to Toronto or not able to pay VIA fare rate. Then, some maybe doing day visit or staying over.

It open the door for other places and new riders.

Once some of those slow speed areas are brought up to ML standards, travel time will be faster.

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Has anyone ask the intelligence of the 32 to see why they are doing it??

Does any of ML lines have more riders getting on the start point than along the line??
 
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I have read many of the comments in the London FP and Londoners see the situation as quite differently.

Many don't have the idea that the service has to begin somewhere even if lousy but rather quite the opposite. They see this as nothing more than an insulting joke. They do not view it as the start of a new and better service but rather GO & QP's attempt to NOT bring in a service. This "service" will continue to get truly pathetic ridership and Londoners know that this will be the excuse needed to stop the service and put the conversation to rest once and for all. We gave it "the old college try" but Londoners didn't want the service and hence should be cancelled completely.

Insulting and shockingly bad transportation policy planning but it allows GO & QP to blame Londoners for the lousy ridership and not the other way around.
 

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I have read many of the comments in the London FP and Londoners see the situation as quite differently.

Many don't have the idea that the service has to begin somewhere even if lousy but rather quite the opposite. They see this as nothing more than an insulting joke. They do not view it as the start of a new and better service but rather GO & QP's attempt to NOT bring in a service. This "service" will continue to get truly pathetic ridership and Londoners know that this will be the excuse needed to stop the service and put the conversation to rest once and for all. We gave it "the old college try" but Londoners didn't want the service and hence should be cancelled completely.

Insulting and shockingly bad transportation policy planning but it allows GO & QP to blame Londoners for the lousy ridership and not the other way around.
Out of the 494,064 people living within the London CMA, how many have commented on that article and why would such a small sample size be representative? People who hate something complain in the comment section of local newspapers, those who see the value of something start using it…
 
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People need to realize that at some point, travel times become so long that people do not see the value in taking it. That is likely what is happening with the London GO Trains.

Niagara is the lone exception as it is a tourist draw of its own right and having direct service to and from Toronto is a win-win. Other than University Students, who would willingly sit on a train for 2 or more hours heading to London?

As was said here several times, if GO wants to do long haul service they need to services and comforts to go along with it. They will eventually need more comfortable seating with tables and snacks. Can you imagine taking a GO train to Ottawa?
 

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People need to realize that at some point, travel times become so long that people do not see the value in taking it. That is likely what is happening with the London GO Trains.

Niagara is the lone exception as it is a tourist draw of its own right and having direct service to and from Toronto is a win-win. Other than University Students, who would willingly sit on a train for 2 or more hours heading to London?

As was said here several times, if GO wants to do long haul service they need to services and comforts to go along with it. They will eventually need more comfortable seating with tables and snacks. Can you imagine taking a GO train to Ottawa?
It shouldn't be that hard to double the track speed between London and Kitchener. Considering it was 4x at one point, but let's walk before we run.
 

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It shouldn't be that hard to double the track speed between London and Kitchener. Considering it was 4x at one point, but let's walk before we run.
With the experiences made on the Kingston Sub, I don't see why any government (provincial or federal) would invest in upgrading the Western half of the Guelph Sub without acquiring it and placing it under public control first. That's why the current test period (and surviving it!) is so essential: because without pre-existing GO service no public ownership (the route is not important enough to VIA to expect the feds to buy it alone) and without public ownership none of the speed and capacity upgrades required to make this service useful will happen.

Those who believe that one should upgrade first before introducing service risk waiting forever...
 
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... because without pre-existing GO service no public ownership (the route is not important enough to VIA to expect the feds to buy it alone) and without public ownership none of the speed and capacity upgrades required to make this service useful will happen.
And yet the feds have purchased CN's Chatham to Windsor line.
 

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With the experiences made on the Kingston Sub, I don't see why any government (provincial or federal) would invest in upgrading the Western half of the Guelph Sub without acquiring it and placing it under public control first. That's why the current test period (and surviving it!) is so essential: because without pre-existing GO service no public ownership (the route is not important enough to VIA to expect the feds to buy it alone) and without public ownership none of the speed and capacity upgrades required to make this service useful will happen.
Hence why so many of us are musing about Metrolinx or VIA purchasing the Kitchener-London corridor...
 

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I just realized that the travel time between London and Toronto is estimated at 4 hours as per the GO transit website. This may be why not many people are using the service.

Who in there right mind would sit on a GO train for 4 hours unless they had no other options?
 

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I just realized that the travel time between London and Toronto is estimated at 4 hours as per the GO transit website. This may be why not many people are using the service.

Who in there right mind would sit on a GO train for 4 hours unless they had no other options?
We've had a discussion here about that several times in the last few weeks.

The answer remains that this isn't for people coming from London to Union station - who'd obviously be taking VIA. It's for people from London to Kitchener. Or St. Marys to Guelph (which aren't as uncommon as you'd think given the regional hospital system there ... it's not unusual for Guelph residents to be shipped to London for some treatments, and even to St. Thomas). Or Stratford to Toronto.
 

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