stevensontransit
Active Member
They’re just too lazy to getting the job done!
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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Metroscapes
Active Member
They will do whatever work Metrolinx schedules and pays them for.
crs1026
Superstar
The suggestion of progress is just an illusion. Note the red flags on Track 1 (the new track is Track 0). Both tracks are missing north of the underpass, up to about Rogers Road. Supposedly to enable preliminary works for the St Clair Smarttrack station. The Kitchener line is down to two tracks at the moment.
My conspiracy theory is that there is some other item that is critical path and not immediately doable (my double conspiracy theory is that it is tied to the Crossways-TTC connection, which is progressing but has lots of work left to do), so the project has deferred all other parts as it's not the last minute yet. Or perhaps as suggested, funding has been yanked to cover some other overspend.
In any event, there is a basket of work that has to be completed before that new track has any real purpose
- Finish preliminary grading and lay trackage from Strachan up to Bloor
- Relocate a signals bungalow at Parkdale and/or grade and lay a new Barrie line track Strachan to Parkdale
- Complete the Randolph entrance to allow pedestrian access under the new track
- Add a turnout and control point at Black Creek to tie in the freight interchange to CPKC to the new track
- Restore the segment between St Clair and Rogers Road for Tracks 0 and 1
This whole project seems like a hobby farm that ML pokes at once in a while when spare change is available.
- Paul
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urbancog
Active Member
I used Bloor GO yesterday and also noted the lack of movement on the 4th KI track. There'd been some progress on the Randolph entrance structure - but no external cladding - so still weeks (at least) until completion, then the track can come through the station.
An isolated work zone - a green work zone in new MX parlance - has been created for work on the island platform for St Clair-Old Weston station, so I guess we won't see 2 north KI tracks back in service until that's complete.
An isolated work zone - a green work zone in new MX parlance - has been created for work on the island platform for St Clair-Old Weston station, so I guess we won't see 2 north KI tracks back in service until that's complete.
crs1026
Superstar
I'm wondering whether, after the green zone on the east side is no longer needed and tracks 0-1 can be placed in service... will ML then take tracks 2-3 out of service to do similar work for a second St Clair platform.
If so, it will be many moons before that route is fully complete as a four track main line.
- Paul
reaperexpress
Senior Member
The St. Clair - Old Weston station is only intended to be served by local trains, so it only needs platforms on 2 of the 4 tracks. Last I heard was to use the 2 south/west tracks for local trains and the 2 north/east tracks as express, so the station only needs one island platform between the western pair of tracks
WB62
Senior Member
The previous plans had 2 to 3 physical platforms at St. Clair, I’m pretty sure the current plan is 2. Why would this station have needed 3 platforms in previous designs?
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Because Metrolinx is incapable of making decisions. They keep changing their mind about service levels and track configurations, so the infill stations along the Kitchener corridor had to be redesigned several times when they changed their minds about the track allocations. You'll also notice the platforms moving around at King-Liberty station from one design to the next.
And anyway, that second design confirms my statement that the station only needs to access the local pair of tracks - hence why they deleted the platform on the east side. The only difference between that drawing and my description is that the drawing uses side platforms instead of the centre platform I described. It's effectively the same thing.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
What constitutes a "local train"? One would argue that every GO train that uses the Kitchener line is a "local train".
max
Active Member
Bojaxs
Senior Member
ProjectEnd
Superstar
It's still so tragically funny that (not knowing any of the behind the scenes stuff, fair enough) Metrolinx brought in DB to tell them how to do things, then like absolute children decided that they had always known best and this entire [billion dollar?] affair wasn't worth it because we'd rather run things like provincial little commuter choo choo we always were. Surprised we're buying busted ass PHIs (gross) and not METRA-esque SD70s or something equally stupid. It's all so, so dumb.
Amare
Senior Member
If it were up to me i'd just outsource all provincial transit infrastructure projects to the Europeans or Japanese, because Ontario is soullessly lost and does know to do any of this properly.
drum118
Superstar
Where are you going to get qualify non union workers, suppliers when we already have European companies doing projects now??
crs1026
Superstar
The original EA document called for two platforms, an island on the east tracks and a side platform on the west side. That made no sense for a four track line, and I always wondered whether it reflected ML uncertainty about whether a fourth track would be approved... or maybe the EA consultant relied on the as built track.
BTW -
We keep referring to King Liberty as if it is a thing. Last December, City Council deferred it. I didn't see much mention of that here. It slid under the Christmas radar. The Council minutes are amusing as Councillor Perks managed to get a sneaky dig in through a motion that proposed humourous names for the smarttrack stations. He was ruled out of order, but under Council rules the motion, while never voted, is part of the public record.
- Paul