Metroscapes
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I don't know that it was confirmed anywhere, but the Grimsby GO announcement is still envisioned for the Casablanca site? No change of heart for setting up shop at the current VIA station?
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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generalcanada
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Looking at the original announcement from 3 years ago:
Aecon holds a 50 per cent interest in a civil joint venture with FCC, which is undertaking the construction, and a 28 per cent interest in a 25-year operations and maintenance partnership with Deutsche Bahn International Operations.
is that 50% each or 25% each?
generalcanada
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northyorker1
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Notice how both of these press releases don't explicitly mention the project name. Must be intentional.
Looking at the original announcement from 3 years ago:
Aecon holds a 50 per cent interest in a civil joint venture with FCC, which is undertaking the construction, and a 28 per cent interest in a 25-year operations and maintenance partnership with Deutsche Bahn International Operations.
is that 50% each or 25% each?
crs1026
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nfitz
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As I implied this afternoon on a different thread, the government might not want to be trumpeting that they dropped $13.5 billion on GTA Transit the day before the election. It puts a pretty big target on their back, both in terms of the astronomical number (for something that most people don't understand, and probably think we already have) and that when the Liberals left office, most of this should have been finished about now - and they still haven't got shovels in the ground for any of this ONExpress construction.
The public consortium members are required however to keep the shareholders apprised of major developments quickly. Nothing from Alstom yet though - perhaps their value isn't significant enough to announce; or there's a hiccup still. DB is government-owned so they don't need to disclose it.
It's probably too late now. Even if they technically could, the opposition would attack them for using government resources for "campaigning".
If both General Canada and I quickly figured it out, I'm sure the media and opposition will too. I'm not sure why they wouldn't have simply owned it, rather than dumping it on a Take Out the Trash day.
Nothing precludes a written announcement though, with campaign appearances on public property.
generalcanada
Senior Member
I dont think alstom is involved in the civil works part of it.
Theyre definitely big in the locos signaling and operations though
Unlike the ontario line theres no separate contract for just building the tracks.
Where are you getting the 13 bil from?
chrisw
Active Member
Sad that they delayed finalizing the contract until the writ drop???
nfitz
Superstar
That number has been floating around for years. Engineers Canada put it at $15.334 billion in 2020. I doubt it's gone down since then.
Though that the consortium members which I would have thought would have had the biggest share, have only mentioned $5.6 billion for them, does concern me. Perhaps electrification will require a further contract?
I'd guess that negotiations have been lengthy, and with the writ dropping it put pressure on the consortium to sign off on something in case the new government had very different ideas. With increased urgency as the new polls have been coming out in the last week.
generalcanada
Senior Member
That number makes sense when you look at the DB service operations contract and the civil works contract separately.
Remember how DB was supposed to take over on Jan 1? That was completely separate from the civil works
30 years of operations and maintenance adds up.
note that lots of on-corr work is now outside of On-corr. like the grading near danforth. the retaining walls have been done for awhile. its pretty much tracks and electrification
evandyk
Senior Member
This election will be won or lost in the GTA suburbs. People who are constantly stuck in traffic.
dowlingm
Senior Member
Voluntarily residing in the burbs and complaining about the traffic brings to mind one definition of “chutzpah”
turbanplanner
Senior Member
TBF my friends downtown ESPICALLY those in liberty village complain about congestion and traffic. Worst of both worlds imo!
crs1026
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I think we can accept that the roads are really quite full in this city. Doesn't mean we endorse DoFo's solutions or want to enlarge the road network.
But it's a definite change from even a decade ago, and the trend is noted by anyone who has been trying to get around. For many, it does take some getting used to, and plenty of people are still making the adjustment..
- Paul
But it's a definite change from even a decade ago, and the trend is noted by anyone who has been trying to get around. For many, it does take some getting used to, and plenty of people are still making the adjustment..
- Paul