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Can someone provide some references back to those posts which hint at what GO 2.0 or whatever the next phase may be will entail? Just curious, thanks.
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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)
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crs1026
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Right. I thought from the previous reply that @Willybru21 had posted something previously that added additional insight on top of the letter from Premier Ford. My apologies.
Northern Light
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No apologies required. You're not wrong.
The public turn of phrase GO 2.O is new........but the concept of exceeding previously committed to service levels is not.
Look here:
GO Transit Electrification | Metrolinx
I found concept schedules for 2032 5pm outbound Lakeshore West departures from Union Station in a Union Station Enhancement Project document that was on a City of Toronto website. The schedules I found was from a 2021 draft that was likely presented to Metrolinx by OnXpress during the bidding...
Now the 2.0 idea has some stuff in it that is not represented above........ most, but not all of which has been discussed on UT....
reaperexpress
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Current track ownership of GO Transit routes because I was curious:
The Missing Link was envisioned to enable GO to acquire the rest of the tracks along the Kitchener and Milton lines.
The Missing Link was envisioned to enable GO to acquire the rest of the tracks along the Kitchener and Milton lines.
SaugeenJunction
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Many UT threads dedicated to potential GO 2.0 ideas!No apologies required. You're not wrong.
The public turn of phrase GO 2.O is new........but the concept of exceeding previously committed to service levels is not.
Look here:
GO Transit Electrification | Metrolinx
I found concept schedules for 2032 5pm outbound Lakeshore West departures from Union Station in a Union Station Enhancement Project document that was on a City of Toronto website. The schedules I found was from a 2021 draft that was likely presented to Metrolinx by OnXpress during the bidding...urbantoronto.ca
Now the 2.0 idea has some stuff in it that is not represented above........ most, but not all of which has been discussed on UT....
WB62
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I think the most exciting things haven’t been talked about yet, which is awesome
Shouldn’t there be a little bit of CP representing Hamilton Junction-Hamilton Centre on the Lakeshore West Line?
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Ah right. I just surveyed from the terminus to Union on each line, I forgot about the branch to Hamilton Centre.
WB62
Senior Member
Haha I forget about that branch a lot too
dowlingm
Senior Member
Not only federal Canadian regs but in the case of Buffalo rail also US FRA. If VIA doesn’t do cross border I don’t see GO doing it
PShells
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Am I being naive in thinking that #1 restoring 3rd track to LSE Corridor can happen on the April 2025 weekend closures of the LSE/Stouffville lines? The bridge construction in the corridor seems to be moving along at a steady pace since the summer.
crs1026
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To nitpick this one.....some caution about "previously committed" service - There is no question that those service levels are a design vision, and it's good that the system is being built with that capacity roughed in.... but I wonder how many years will go by before it is needed. Even getting to 15 minute off peak is going to take a decade, and it is an interesting exercise to predict how demand will change at higher frequency vs the 15 min standard.
Intellectually, GO would likely sell and perform much differently with 6 car trains at 7.5 min frequency, as opposed to 12-car trains at 15 min headway. But that implies a much higher investment (twice as many locos with the present fleet) and double the labour cost.
It is definitely a good thing to look to a second tranche of investment in GO.... especially to create a regional network. So it's good to see this study. I just wonder how much traction it will add.
The focus on the bypass is something we have beaten to death, the anticipation of Milton is part of that, and Kitchener is mentioned explicitly. Beyond that, the intent is vague, or perhaps left for individual announcements or commentary during politicing speeches etc. Is there anything specific that I'm not seeing?
- Paul
Northern Light
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Yes..... but that's not really available to see yet.
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Given my understanding of government resource allocations over the next few years, anything new while not pipe dream is also not imminent..........
Except for one long discussed project (that would only be construction, not operation).............but.....lets see who returns to QP in March..........one thing at a time.
crs1026
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I am hopeful that the two tracks will shift very soon - as you note, construction is moving very quickly. I suspect the third track will take a little longer to return, but certainly doable by, say, Labour Day.
- Paul
crs1026
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This aligns with my suspicion that the 2.0 study, while useful, is camouflage for a pause, and not a next leap.
Getting GO 1.0 in place is going to challenge the cash flow for another 5-10 years. Hopefully whatever government is chosen, they will keep their eye on today's ball and not lose momentum.
- Paul