GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)

[crs1026]

^Thanks for that! The previous page is also relevant as it shows how the 8 tracks from Weston merge with the 4 from LSW. Note that the Spadina station has been inserted, and the LSW no longer uses the flyunder in the same way.

From the top:
- 2 tracks to Barrie (with stop at Spadina)
- 4 tracks to Bramalea/Georgetown/Kitchener
- 2 tracks to Milton
- the Western Lead aka "back route" to Exhibition - which had been disconnected, last I looked
- 4 tracks to LSW

- Paul

 

[tsm1072]

Any idea what tracks would be used for what lines through union based on those diagrams? The best I can figure is Eastbound trains for the Lakeshore lines and VIA would use TK14&5, VIA would use TK13W&13E, Westbound lakeshore and VIA would use TK11&12. Not sure about the rest.

 

[drum118]

If they are expanding tracks here, won't they also need to expand tracks further east after Lakeshore West line merges? Otherwise that will become a choke point. I don't see any space west of Union to add more tracks.

It was shown on a TTC plan for the Western Waterfront Plan to have a new track 1 on the north side of Exhibition Station to Mimico Station and the same for a track 6. You can put in the new track 1 with no problem to the point ML has a plan to add that bridge over the Humber River. Track 6 is a questionably.

 

[anb]

What if there could be another way to bring 2WAD to Milton by using the Kitchener Line? There is a spur west of Georgetown GO and it could head straight south to Milton GO. I guess there would be some complications with both CN and CP but is there really any traffic that would interfere with freight?

 

[mdu]

There's not much point with a shuttle service between Milton and Union, though. The talk of Milton RER is predicated on Mississauga ridership, and the operational complexity increase doesn't seem worth the service to one station.

 

[smallspy]

If they are expanding tracks here, won't they also need to expand tracks further east after Lakeshore West line merges? Otherwise that will become a choke point. I don't see any space west of Union to add more tracks.

The thing is.....

From a throughput point-of-view, it kind of isn't much of a choke point when compared to the track to the west.

With the trains all running at about the same speed, and with a dense signal layout, they can run far more trains on each track through the USRC than they can out on the mainlines, where the signal spacing is longer due to the higher speeds (and thus, longer stopping distances).

Of course, this is all within reason, too. If all of the trains were running 10mph, it would be a chokepoint again as the previous train wouldn't be able to clear before the one following showed up. At the 30-to-45mph that they plan on running through the ladders, trains will be able to clear pretty quickly.

Dan

 

[Allandale25]

This is the most recent layout I've seen. Not sure if you've seen this one. This is from a noise and vibration pdf released back in December. Pg. 88/89 to save you the trouble.

https://www.metrolinxengage.com/sites/default/files/usrc_noise_and_vibration_assessment_draft.pdf

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Edit: Added in the TRBOT proposal for comparison.

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Great find with that Metrolinx Union Station track plan map. I just have some questions/observations in the graphic below (I added in the eastern side on page 89). I annotated in blue numbering the platforms I think I see. cc @reaperexpress @crs1026 @smallspy

 

[tsm1072]

Great find with that Metrolinx Union Station track plan map. I just have some questions/observations in the graphic below (I added in the eastern side on page 89). I annotated in blue numbering the platforms I think I see. cc @reaperexpress @crs1026 @smallspy

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My uneducated guess for the 4 stub tracks TK10E, TK10W, TK13E, and TK13W is for VIA departures; and potentially other express train departures depending on the platform length. VIA arrivals can unload relatively quickly and then pull forward and back into the stub tracks as they prep and wait for loading as departures.

 

[Coolstar]

Great find with that Metrolinx Union Station track plan map. I just have some questions/observations in the graphic below (I added in the eastern side on page 89). I annotated in blue numbering the platforms I think I see. cc @reaperexpress @crs1026 @smallspy

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I believe Metrolinx still intends to convert the UP Express to regular GO service and replacing the trains with GO EMUs. Part of that process is to move the UPX platforms to the existing platforms further south.

Metrolinx planning major overhaul of UP Express that could include station renovations, new trains

A Metrolinx document obtained by the Star shows the provincial agency is planning to move the platform at Union Station at a cost of $77.4 million among other changes to the four-year-old line.

www.thestar.com

 

[rbt]

I believe Metrolinx still intends to convert the UP Express to regular GO service and replacing the trains with GO EMUs.

Metrolinx is expecting Electric Locomotives (hauling existing GO cars) to be the preference of the winning bidder (6-car 1EL, and 12-car 2EL), rather than EMU.

Or, at least they're not ruling it out when planning yards, platforms, noise profiles, etc.

 

[Coolstar]

Metrolinx is expecting Electric Locomotives (hauling existing GO cars) to be the preference of the winning bidder (6-car 1EL, and 12-car 2EL), rather than EMU.

Actually? They've decided this internally?

 

[rbt]

Actually? They've mentioned this internally?

Metrolinx hasn't mentioned it but they have gone to significant effort to ensure it is an option for bidding based on discussion with short-listed bidders. Commuter rail electric locomotives are quite cheap and most existing GO rolling stock is usable for several more decades.

 

[tsm1072]

Metrolinx hasn't mentioned it but they have gone to significant effort to ensure it is an option for bidding based on discussion from the bidders. Commuter rail electric locomotives are quite cheap.

It also allows them to continue using their fairly extensive stock of carriages. I expect the final system to run a mix of Diesel Locomotive, Electric Locomotive, and EMUs.

 

[robmausser]

Metrolinx is expecting Electric Locomotives (hauling existing GO cars) to be the preference of the winning bidder (6-car 1EL, and 12-car 2EL), rather than EMU.

Or, at least they're not ruling it out when planning yards, platforms, noise profiles, etc.

They should include acceleration profiles in the bid requirements. If a electric loco can meet the needed acceleration profiles of a subway-like frequent regional system, im all for it. But id be surprised if it could.

 

[robmausser]

Metrolinx hasn't mentioned it but they have gone to significant effort to ensure it is an option for bidding based on discussion with short-listed bidders. Commuter rail electric locomotives are quite cheap and most existing GO rolling stock is usable for several more decades.

There will still be a need for a lot of the existing bi levels on the express network though. With 4x the service they will still have to buy a lot more trains. It would be foolish to buy more bilevels.

I assume there will be some service with electric/dual mode locos and bi levels, and then the rest with EMUs.

I expect Kitchener/Stouffville to be the first through line to run EMU's at the beginning, because of the station spacing and need for EMU's to replace the UPX and fulfil the SmartTrack stations requirements (many stops close together in subway-like style). Diesel bi level will run express to Kitchener west of Bramalea to fulfil the all day Kitchener in 90 minutes. (has to be express to meet that goal)

Lakeshore and Barrie will get Electric/Dual locos at first pulling the existing bilevels. Since Lakeshore can already operate at 15 minutes or better with the current fleet, and they can electrify all the way to Barrie and just use one train all the way. In the future Barrie will be replaced with EMU's as the fleet ages, and potentially Lakeshore but will need to continue to run Bi Levels as express service to Niagara/Bowmanville.

Richmond/Milton will exist as is. No change.