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GO Transit: Construction Projects (Metrolinx, various)

Very vague. From as far as I can tell it means a mix of negotiating with CN on good terms and not increasing frequency beyond what CN is willing to offer and which the market hasn't already demanded. If you get along, satisfy the market at your doorstep without stimulating that demand with incentives like frequent and convenient service, voila... you don't need the by-pass.

It's vague, but there are some capacity options between Bramalea and Georgetown that could lead to more service that will cost less than the $5B bypass: 1) third or fourth track addition in downtown Brampton; 2) additional track from Mount Pleasant to Georgetown; and 3) rail under rail grade separation near the Credit River.
 
April 11
There is light at the end of the tunnel and far from completion, let alone ready to add the 4th track as well shift the existing tracks.
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It's vague, but there are some capacity options between Bramalea and Georgetown that could lead to more service that will cost less than the $5B bypass: 1) third or fourth track addition in downtown Brampton; 2) additional track from Mount Pleasant to Georgetown; and 3) rail under rail grade separation near the Credit River.
Having a 4th track through Brampton needs to be a self starter. If they're going to demolish those buildings to the south of the current station they might as well build supports for a 4th track. In the rendering's I only saw a 3rd track proposed.
 
April 11
There is light at the end of the tunnel and far from completion, let alone ready to add the 4th track as well shift the existing tracks.

Over the Easter weekend, I happened to pass by the area daily around sunset. From the amount of lighting it looked like they were working over the weekend. That implied to me that they were likely lagging on the schedule - hence the need to work at premium hours.

- Paul
 
Having a 4th track through Brampton needs to be a self starter. If they're going to demolish those buildings to the south of the current station they might as well build supports for a 4th track. In the rendering's I only saw a 3rd track proposed.

Were these recent renderings and were they publicly posted somewhere?
 
Don Valley Layover - Public Meeting. Co Hosted with MPP Peter Tabuns and Councillor Paula Fletcher
Seems like it would be an easier sell to use an underused rail yard as a rail yard. Why not have the trains continue up the line to Leaside, avoid needing to impact the valley as much with the parking lot and service building, but instead only keep the tracks and upgrade them to operating condition.

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Were these recent renderings and were they publicly posted somewhere?
There is a plan floating around that I have seen and no idea if it is this thread or another.
Having a 4th track through Brampton needs to be a self starter. If they're going to demolish those buildings to the south of the current station they might as well build supports for a 4th track. In the rendering's I only saw a 3rd track proposed.
They are tearing the buildings down on the south and you cannot 2 new tracks on that side. One has to be on both side of the existing 2 requiring the VIA station move north for one track.

The big issue is at Mills as it needs to be grade separated as well closing part of Railroad.

ML bought the building east of Main on the north side years ago to allow a track to be built on the north side.
 
Seems like it would be an easier sell to use an underused rail yard as a rail yard. Why not have the trains continue up the line to Leaside, avoid needing to impact the valley as much with the parking lot and service building, but instead only keep the tracks and upgrade them to operating condition.

The answer is $$$

Reactivating the Don Branch would mean restoring/rebuilding the 1/2 mile bridge across the Don Valley (its in rough shape); as well as rebuilding all the applicable track, and probably putting signalling in as well.

That's also presuming CP would offer up the yard; which would then need to be leased or purchased, as opposed to the Don Branch tracks which Mx owns.

Don't get me wrong, its a fine thought......
 
Seems like it would be an easier sell to use an underused rail yard as a rail yard. Why not have the trains continue up the line to Leaside, avoid needing to impact the valley as much with the parking lot and service building, but instead only keep the tracks and upgrade them to operating condition.

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There is no CP yard there anymore but pile of used ties. I don't think that spur is used anymore. What was an industrial area at one time is turning into big box and residential.

You have a car wash next to CP tracks and a sub station south of it and that is all there now.
 
Reactivating the Don Branch would mean restoring/rebuilding the 1/2 mile bridge across the Don Valley (its in rough shape); as well as rebuilding all the applicable track, and probably putting signalling in as well.
I won't lie... I dream of the day that trains will run over that viaduct again... hopefully sleek shinkansen type models whisking people to Ottawa some day, but GO diesel fleet headed to park in the Leaside yard for now seems like an attainable goal.
 
There is no CP yard there anymore but pile of used ties. I don't think that spur is used anymore. What was an industrial area at one time is turning into big box and residential.

You have a car wash next to CP tracks and a sub station south of it and that is all there now.

From November 2020:

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The above 2 are Streetview, from the Arena parking lot on the north side.

The below is from the south side, on Redway Road:

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Most recent aerial for sure, is TOMaps which dates back to 2018:

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From November 2020:

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The above 2 are Streetview, from the Arena parking lot on the north side.

The below is from the south side, on Redway Road:

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I was at the carwash area last week and saw no tracks other than the 2 mainlines and rows of ties on the north side. The ties maybe hiding some tracks, but the area hasn't been use as an yard for decades. I remember in my young days seeing cars in the yard as well the switch to the Don Valley Line.

Was going to check the west side but ended up not doing it. Never venture east where the road ended.

Did take some photos and starting to work on the photos for April 11.
 
I was at the carwash area last week and saw no tracks other than the 2 mainlines and rows of ties on the north side. The ties maybe hiding some tracks, but the area hasn't been use as an yard for decades. I remember in my young days seeing cars in the yard as well the switch to the Don Valley Line.

Was going to check the west side but ended up not doing it. Never venture east where the road ended.

Did take some photos and starting to work on the photos for April 11.

It hasn't been THAT long. I saw trains there maybe 4-5 years ago.

Took me awhile to dig it up......

I found a Torontoist article showing the yard was active in 2010.......

But this is better:


From the above:

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Interesting interview with Phil Verster


The very interesting bits are
9:20 - Verster indicates that changes to the design at East Harbour will mean a flyunder at Scarboro Jct isn't needed. Intuitively that implies that Stouffville trains will end up on the north tracks from Don up to Scarboro Jct. I wonder what options that creates/eliminates for VIA HFR, and how express LSE will integrate with stopping trains on that route.
12:05 - Verster's view of what RER ridership may evolve to post COVID
14:30 - Comments about the Missing Link bypass not being needed "by being more commercially astute"

Kudo's to Reece for upping his journalistic game - this is a more substantive interview than many, even those produced by the mainstream Toronto paper and broadcast media.

Verster is himself, and I stick my tongue in my cheek about some of his statements (such as taking credit for moving away from the procurement model of three years ago.....the one that he and his gang pursued in the first place....sigh) but it's a more informative discussion than many we've seen.

- Paul
Agreed. Thanks to @Reecemartin for bringing us yet more teasers on Metrolinx's game plan!

Verster is a master when it comes to spin, as one needs to be to be CEO of such a large organisation. He describes the decision to cancel the Scarborough Junction Grade Separation as a clever change which will allow more stopping trains at East Harbour. Note: it's not an increase in service, it's just that express trains will now also stop at East Harbour in addition to local trains. This is made possible solely by the addition of a third platform, which could have been done regardless of whether Scarborough Junction is grade separated.

That said, he's clearly very passionate about bringing massively improved rail service within the forseeable future and his clever political strategies will definitely benefit us overall.

Here's my take at illustrating the changes he described: no more grade separation at Scarborough Junction, and an extra platform at East Harbour.
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Rather than a single quad-tracked line with services sorted by speed, there are now a pair of double-tracked lines. This creates a problem for express trains, since they can no longer overtake local trains. This is the real reason that Verster's new plan has express trains stopping at East Harbour: they're stuck behind locals anyway so they might as well stop.

On the Lakeshore corridor, there is a pre-existing triple-track segment between Scarborough Jct and Guildwood, so there's plenty of room for peak-direction express services to overtake locals. But if we want express service all day in both directions, we're in trouble. In the absence of passing tracks (e.g counter-peak), the speed of the express services is dictated by the frequency of local service. With local service every 15 minutes, express services can only be about 7 minutes faster than the local. I'm assuming a minimum scheduled separation of 4 minutes, based on the schedules here in the Netherlands. So the express departs 11 minutes behind the local, and by the end of the shared segment it's 4 minutes behind.
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Even with moving-block signaling which allows trains as close as 60 seconds, a single shared track would still only allow the express to be 9 minutes faster than the local. But realistically we'd want express services to skip 5 or 6 stops between Union and Pickering, which would make them 10 to 12 minutes faster than the locals. And VIA trains are even faster still.

So if we want all-day express service in both directions, we need to build some additional passing opportunities. The cheapest option would be to simply add a fourth track at Guildwood station. The station's reconstruction a few years ago already built the structure and platforms for a fourth track, all that's missing is the track itself. But the downside of having a one-station-long passing track is that the local trains would need to sit for 2-3 extra minutes to allow the following express train to catch up. This delay can be resolved by extending the passing track to include another station. In the diagram below, I show the track being extended to Eglinton GO, but extending it to Rouge Hill would work as well.
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The Stouffville line doesn't have any passing opportunites at all for express trains, so given that local service is proposed to operate every 10 minutes, express service is now physically impossible. In the previous design, express trains could run non-stop from Kennedy to Union.

Another question is what this reorganisation does to the USRC. The current layout of the flyover west of Union allows westbound lakeshore/stouffville/barrie/kitchener trains to generally head through the middle of the corridor, while eastbound trains hug the southern edge. Between them there's room for services to terminate and head back the other direction, without crossing the Lakeshore local services.

Cyan: eastbound lakeshore/stouffville/barrie/kitchener
Magenta: westbound lakeshore/stouffville/barrie/kitchener
Black: turnback platforms (VIA, terminating services etc)
Light Green: other (UPX etc)

<--- toward LSW, Milton, Kitchener, Barrie | | toward Union Station --->

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With both directions of Lakeshore service hugging the south side of the corridor, VIA's Windsor, Ottawa and Montreal services would either need to cross westbound service at-grade to reach their current platforms, or they would need to depart from platforms 24-27, which aren't directly connected to the VIA concourse.
 
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